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    How could you even begin to imagine such an event. We all knew he was dangerous. But truth be told have any of us ever imagined that Josh would hatchet his boys, spread gas and implode the house? Not in a million years would any of us known that he could do these unthinkable things.......... Murder his wife? Yes, treat the boys badly? Yes. But not in the world could anyone have been trained to enter that lion's den.

    This is pure evil. And the case worker did the best thing she could do. We never know how we will react. We heard earlier she was pounding on windows and the door. Her first instinct was to try to get to the boys. And then her instinct turned to getting help. The woman really is in some serious trauma. I believe in my heart she tried her best.

    Those boys never should have been there to start. The court had to know they were dealing with a very questionable father in Josh. It starts at the court level and this worker was just doing her job and got caught in a horrific nightmare.



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    I am not willing to listen to the tapes. There is enough information out there for me to know that everyone did the best they could do, given the circumstances...LE, the caseworker, the neighbors.

    Other than that, I don't need to know much more, and I certainly don't need to hear the tapes.

    I will keep the caseworker in my prayers for a very long time. She will have a very difficult time in the coming days, months, and years...and will need all our prayers to come back from this successfully.

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    Wow-hope we don't know the Social workers name now.......



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    Quote Originally Posted by Starry Night View Post
    The social worker must have been in SHOCK. Give her a BREAK-sheesh.......
    Yes. BUT. This is her job.. to be prepared for such emergencies. When there are not minutes to lose scrambling thru papers trying to find the address of the emergency. This is her job to be prepared for the worst case scenario.

    Perry, who was dubbed the "Velvet Hammer" by tweeters,
    went on to say that he believed there was sufficient evidence to sustain a
    first-degree murder conviction
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    "Justice has been served in the sense that the jury has spoken but justice will
    finally be served one day by the Judge of
    judges," Perry said during the morning show.
    "And she's going to live, deal with this for
    the rest of her life."

    RIP Caylee Marie


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    Quote Originally Posted by Starry Night View Post
    Wow-hope we don't know the Social workers name now.......
    We sure do. It's in the 911 call. They didn't blank it.
    Just my opinion


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    Quote Originally Posted by x_files View Post
    How did she get there? Maybe she went into panic and couldn't think straight. Poor woman. CPS needs to train their caseworkers for such crisis. Josh is a very evil man ruined everything he touched.

    pip

    Oh my lordy. The CPS supervisor says the kids may be in danger. Smells gasoline, a child is crying. She cannot give the 911 operator the address after multiple requests. "I don't know the address." This is not good. ILL- prepared for such a potentially dangerous situation.. Shame on the State of WA for having such loose and haphazard protocols and substandard training of it's case workers. NOT OK. The visits are supervised in the event that something bad may happen. The address should be at her fingertips in the event she needs to call 911, like on Sunday. The address was in her car, not on her person. How could she call for help if she were in the house and needed 911, if the address was in her car? It makes no sense.
    I feel very very awful for her, but this is not an effective plan of action should things go wrong, as they did.
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    How in the world do you train anyone for such a crisis? How often does something like this happen? And the dispatchers weren't helping matters...interrupting, talking over callers when they were trying to give pertinent information. Meanwhile, people are watching a house engulfed in flames, and in the CPS worker's case, watching, knowing the babes were in there!

    It's sooooo easy for us to sit here in the safety of our homes and second-guess. But there's no way any of us can predict how we'd react, how fast we'd react, what we would do, and what we would not do when Armageddon is happening in front of your very eyes.



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    Quote Originally Posted by jjenny View Post
    We sure do. It's in the 911 call. They didn't blank it.

    How unfortunate-but at least we know who to pray for.




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    There will be NO bashing or deriding or second-guessing of what the social worker did, or how they reacted in the moment.

    May no one here ever have to experience what that person has.
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    But perhaps this very holding back is the one suffering you could have avoided.
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    Josh's sister Alina didn't know the address either when she called to report he was sending troubling emails and stuff. Too much time wasted if the children were already in the house for 10 minutes when the visitation case worker called 911, she was told to wait for a deputy, and it was some time after that the fire was called in by the neighbor and emergency personnel arrived. Those boys were held captive in a house where it was known the second they stepped in that there was a smell of gas and an unhinged man in control of a life-threatening situation.

    Not blaming anyone but Josh Powell, murderer. But, I'm glad it's been publicly announced that DHSS/CPS is reviewing the processes and determining what could have been done differently. The same should be done for the 911 operation. This shouldn't have happened. It shouldn't happen again if it's at all preventable. JMO...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jjenny View Post
    And I really wonder how long all of this took.
    Sometimes incoming info is not as clear as we'd like it to be. I have no doubt 911 was overloaded with calls from people wondering wth was going on after hearing, what, 3 explosions (I believe it was stated 3 but not sure if that's changed).


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    Quote Originally Posted by jjenny View Post
    We sure do. It's in the 911 call. They didn't blank it.
    And the make, model and color of her car. Oh, and her license plate #.

    I really think all of that should have been redacted.

    I also wasn't impressed with the 911 operators.



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    Quote Originally Posted by my_tee_mouse View Post
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    How in the world do you train anyone for such a crisis? How often does something like this happen? And the dispatchers weren't helping matters...interrupting, talking over callers when they were trying to give pertinent information. Meanwhile, people are watching a house engulfed in flames, and in the CPS worker's case, watching, knowing the babes were in there!

    It's sooooo easy for us to sit here in the safety of our homes and second-guess. But there's no way any of us can predict how we'd react, how fast we'd react, what we would do, and what we would not do when Armageddon is happening in front of your very eyes.
    I don't blame her but CPS should be trained or sent an escort of an armed and trained police officer.
    This wasn't a normal visitation. It was from a murder suspect and a high profile/volatile case. the courts should have never appt. visitations at all. This was too dangerous anyone who is following this case could tell he was a ticking time bomb.



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    Quote Originally Posted by LNL View Post
    And the make, model and color of her car. Oh, and her license plate #.

    I really think all of that should have been redacted.

    I also wasn't impressed with the 911 operators.
    Neither am I. Not impressed. The first one (before the fire) promised her the first available deputy was going to contact her. How much before the fire was that?
    Just my opinion


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    I understand she was shocked. But as a "crisis worker", she must be trained by her employer to be prepared and effective as possible in the event of a crisis. How do we hope to have better crisis intervention for children without being able to address the obvious short-comings of the system in place to protect children in crisis? Ill-training is a short-coming. This is not an attack on the poor woman. It is an identified failure of the systems training and expectations of her. The address is crucial.

    Perry, who was dubbed the "Velvet Hammer" by tweeters,
    went on to say that he believed there was sufficient evidence to sustain a
    first-degree murder conviction
    .

    "Justice has been served in the sense that the jury has spoken but justice will
    finally be served one day by the Judge of
    judges," Perry said during the morning show.
    "And she's going to live, deal with this for
    the rest of her life."

    RIP Caylee Marie


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    Quote Originally Posted by christee View Post
    Sometimes incoming info is not as clear as we'd like it to be. I have no doubt 911 was overloaded with calls from people wondering wth was going on after hearing, what, 3 explosions (I believe it was stated 3 but not sure if that's changed).
    The first 911 call was before the fire. So at that time 911 shouldn't have been overloaded with calls about explosions. They haven't happened yet.
    Just my opinion


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