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    State vs Jason Lynn Young 2-9-12

    court times:

    9:30 - 1:00

    2:30 - 5:00

    This live video link has worked for the last two days.

    http://www.wral.com/news/video/10690077/

    The 911 recording can be heard in full (day 2, pt 1)
    http://www.wral.com/specialreports/m...lery/10697529/

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    Article about questionable practices in the state crime lab at several levels of justice.

    http://www.newsobserver.com/2012/01/...s-removal.html

    DA Suspended

    http://www.wral.com/news/news_briefs/story/10656279/

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    Gracie was very genuine and an excellent witness. She clearly remembered his face and white SUV 2 days after the encounter. The circumstances would be very memorable to me as well.

    I find it interesting several here attack her credibility because she is not polished. She has no axe to grind and did not seek out LE for her 15 minutes of fame. Looks to me like the ones that attack her just don't like she busted Jay's alibi.

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    Otto, not sure you posted the link of the Durham DA suspended? Yes, she is crazy for sure. Not sure what that has to do with this case?. As for the crime lab, the defense has no issues, as some of their best evidence comes straight from that lab.

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    I really have no opinion on this case (haven't followed it closely outside of news articles) and to be honest have no desire to get knee deep in the detail, but I do have a question concerning this gas station attendant.

    What about the mantra that I've heard in many cases on these forums about 'Eyewitnesses are generally unreliable'?

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    Thanks for today's thread Otto ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by cityslick View Post
    I really have no opinion on this case (haven't followed it closely outside of news articles) and to be honest have no desire to get knee deep in the detail, but I do have a question concerning this gas station attendant.

    What about the mantra that I've heard in many cases on these forums about 'Eyewitnesses are generally unreliable'?
    That's why I don't find her credible. She was shown a picture and asked if she had seen this man. She said yes, and I'm sure she thinks she did see him, however the man she saw made a cash purchase so there is no way to verify that it was indeed Jason Young.

    Her testimony is also the only evidence the prosecution would have to show that JY ever left the hotel grounds. I couldn't put someone in prison for life based almost entirely on this testimony.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cityslick View Post
    I really have no opinion on this case (haven't followed it closely outside of news articles) and to be honest have no desire to get knee deep in the detail, but I do have a question concerning this gas station attendant.

    What about the mantra that I've heard in many cases on these forums about 'Eyewitnesses are generally unreliable'?
    Yes, I have read many posts questioning the accuracy, mostly due to our memories fading or playing tricks on us, but Gracie's encounter involved more than just a visual, she actually encountered the wrath of this particular customer which involves a more pronounced recollection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sureLocke View Post
    Yes, I have read many posts questioning the accuracy, mostly due to our memories fading or playing tricks on us, but Gracie's encounter involved more than just a visual, she actually encountered the wrath of this particular customer which involves a more pronounced recollection.
    I understand, I'm just curious why her account seems more credible than say the lady who thought she saw Nancy Cooper jogging. That lady spoke words to the jogger, was pretty close to make eye contact and in the end even I thought that she didn't see NC. I'm just wondering if this could be the same scenario.

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    About the 'similar' shirt photographed being worn later... wouldn't you wear something similar later if you didn't have the original? I was under the understanding his shirt/top wasn't found, and his similar old shoes (to prints) were never found either.

    And about the smoking cigar non-smokers:
    Some of you have said you have known non-smokers liking cigars... are any of you non-smokers here smoking cigars regularly???

    Had JY been known to smoke many cigars in the past? Alot of hinky IMO.
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    hi everyone, here we go...

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    looks like judge is on the red alert for Klinko to screw up with Gracie and he's gonna be on him YAY !

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    Quote Originally Posted by cityslick View Post
    I understand, I'm just curious why her account seems more credible than say the lady who thought she saw Nancy Cooper jogging. That lady spoke words to the jogger, was pretty close to make eye contact and in the end even I thought that she didn't see NC. I'm just wondering if this could be the same scenario.
    Obviously in each case it was needed to support the theory that the spouse was responsible. In the Cooper trial it had to have been a mistake and in the Young trial it must be accurate. Maybe it was more due to the $5 tip Gracie received.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cityslick View Post
    I understand, I'm just curious why her account seems more credible than say the lady who thought she saw Nancy Cooper jogging. That lady spoke words to the jogger, was pretty close to make eye contact and in the end even I thought that she didn't see NC. I'm just wondering if this could be the same scenario.
    I suspect that the credibility of a person's testimony is often based on whether or not the testimony supports or contradicts someone's preconceived biases. As much as most of us want to remain completely unbiased, it really is hard to do. I've often seen many examples on these forums where a poster would dismiss pretty solid testimony while believing testimony that was questionable. (That's a general statement and not referring specifically to this trial or this witness)

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    having an eyewitness like Gracie is just a slap in the face, the jury will never all agree on whether or not she is credible. the injury will never let that happen. hopefully holt can move on and strengthen every other aspect that points to jason.

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