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    Quote Originally Posted by En Passant View Post
    Wow,
    There was an Asian male who was dressed in Female clothing, also found tortured & is a victim IMO of JB.....
    Do you have a link to support that the Asian victim was "tortured". I have read every press release and every article that has been written about this case and I have never come across any information that states that the Asian victim was "TORTURED".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seaslug44 View Post
    Do you have a link to support that the Asian victim was "tortured". I have read every press release and every article that has been written about this case and I have never come across any information that states that the Asian victim was "TORTURED".
    As Several LE Professionals have stated this SK is SADISTIC so saying asian was tortured, Murdered & killed......wasn't it said signs of blunt force.

    So that is torture enough IMO. We see things very differently. I see OB people responsible for SG Death & I see them being the OBVIOUS POI like many other people do.

    I differ from your opinions & disagree with many, like the Imagination comment that JB is able to sue people for libel etc.

    Do you think the family will possibly sue JB for WRONGFUL DEATH?
    I believe you leave out what charges can be brought to the whole group. I just think the LE has them under wraps. SK's do not stop & sadistic Killers are what they are.

    I will state what I think could be a possible theory Scenerio etc., have a nice day.


    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/22/ny...pagewanted=all

    http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/04...f_long_is.html

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ng-victim.html

    http://www.theatlanticwire.com/natio...llings/37739/#

    There are hundreds of articles that state this, actually just about EVERY article....If you need videos google in You Tube there are Many there too.

    Here you go in every single definition I read SADICTIC RELATED TO TORTURE

    Hope you now have learned it is the SAME.....SADISTIC is wors....My Bad

    Hopefully this helped you learn what this SK/s DO, no offense but it is CLEAR NOW....VERY

    [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sadistic_personality_disorder"]Sadistic personality disorder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

    http://www.thefreedictionary.com/sadistic

    http://thesaurus.com/browse/sadistic

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    SG's mystery starts with her phone records...

    Looking back over SG's case it is clear to me that we are missing some important answers from MP. We've all seen his interviews. He gives an extremely detailed description of what took place that night yet he continues to avoid saying on camera anything about the mysterious calls that were logged between him and SG around 3am;


    05/01/10 2:55 AM 1 Minute call TO CVS on Montauk Highway in West Islip.

    05/01/10 2:57 AM 3 Minute call TO Michael Pak

    05/01/10 3:00 AM Incoming, 3 Minute call FROM Michael Pak

    05/01/10 3:04 AM 6 Minute call TO Michael Pak

    05/01/10 3:13 AM Incoming, 1 Minute call FROM Michael Pak

    05/01/10 3:15 AM 2 Minute call TO Michael Pak


    - Source of SG's Cell PHone Records

    At first I found it odd how close the calls are to each other. At 2:57 she called MP for 3 minutes yet at 3:00 MP was calling her back?

    There was not even a minute between the time she hung up with him and the time he called her?

    Only 1 minute after MP's 3 minute 3:00 am incoming call ended, SG called him back at 3:04 am. This went on a few more times until they last spoke at 3:17am.

    Then there was this lone call at 4:09 am (42 minutes before she dialed 911);

    05/01/10 4:09 AM 1 minute call TO Michael Pak

    Sure sounds like dropped calls to me.

    Then looking at the rest of her phone records, I found something similiar earlier in the evening except for they were all outgoing calls that started/stopped one after the other;

    05/01/10 12:20 AM 3 minute call TO Michael Pak

    05/01/10 12:23 AM 2 minute call TO Michael Pak

    05/01/10 12:25 AM 1 mnute call TO Michael Pak


    This first set of calls convince me that the repetition in the calls being one after the other are the result of something on SG's end.

    Not sure exactly what this means.

    It could be that SG was extremely impatient that evening.

    Then again, it could also mean that her phone was having problems and kept dropping calls.

    What do you think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seaslug44 View Post
    Looking back over SG's case it is clear to me that we are missing some important answers from MP. We've all seen his interviews. He gives an extremely detailed description of what took place that night yet he continues to avoid saying on camera anything about the mysterious calls that were logged between him and SG around 3am;


    05/01/10 2:55 AM 1 Minute call TO CVS on Montauk Highway in West Islip.

    05/01/10 2:57 AM 3 Minute call TO Michael Pak

    05/01/10 3:00 AM Incoming, 3 Minute call FROM Michael Pak

    05/01/10 3:04 AM 6 Minute call TO Michael Pak

    05/01/10 3:13 AM Incoming, 1 Minute call FROM Michael Pak

    05/01/10 3:15 AM 2 Minute call TO Michael Pak


    - Source of SG's Cell PHone Records

    At first I found it odd how close the calls are to each other. At 2:57 she called MP for 3 minutes yet at 3:00 MP was calling her back?

    There was not even a minute between the time she hung up with him and the time he called her?

    Only 1 minute after MP's 3 minute 3:00 am incoming call ended, SG called him back at 3:04 am. This went on a few more times until they last spoke at 3:17am.

    Then there was this lone call at 4:09 am (42 minutes before she dialed 911);

    05/01/10 4:09 AM 1 minute call TO Michael Pak

    Sure sounds like dropped calls to me.

    Then looking at the rest of her phone records, I found something similiar earlier in the evening except for they were all outgoing calls that started/stopped one after the other;

    05/01/10 12:20 AM 3 minute call TO Michael Pak

    05/01/10 12:23 AM 2 minute call TO Michael Pak

    05/01/10 12:25 AM 1 mnute call TO Michael Pak


    This first set of calls convince me that the repetition in the calls being one after the other are the result of something on SG's end.

    Not sure exactly what this means.

    It could be that SG was extremely impatient that evening.

    Then again, it could also mean that her phone was having problems and kept dropping calls.

    What do you think?
    Hi Seaslug!

    How reliable is this information? When I follow the link, I come to JusticeForShannanGilbert.wordpress.com and there I find some of the entries from you post. But when I follow from there the link http://www.findshannangilbert.com/in...gation-part-1/
    which appears to be the source, they got the records from, I end up on some defunct site.
    So now it appears as if those records come out of the blue, but at some time, this findshannangilbert-site was active. Did you copy from there (because the justice site has less records than you have in your post above?)

    Peter
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    Looking back over SG's case it is clear to me that we are missing some important answers from MP.

    Seaslug44 I could not agree with you more. The conversations that took place between MP and SG are extremely pertinent, and as far as I know MP has never discussed them or their contents. Starting at 2:57 AM SG spent nine minutes speaking to MP.

    The topics could have been
    - The number of people in JB's house and their actions and behavior
    - Payment or lack of it, from JB
    - SG being uncomfortable with something she heard, saw or was asked or told.
    - A call for help to MP, to which he does not respond.

    For somebody portraying themselves as a 'good-guy' MP has a lot of explaining to do.

    MOO

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    The point i rather, is there a connection between SG and the GB4? As of yet, the only obvious connection is the vicinity and I don't trust that one because I have seen bad things happening twice and even trice in one area.

    Peter
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    Quote Originally Posted by WINDSOR View Post
    Looking back over SG's case it is clear to me that we are missing some important answers from MP.

    Seaslug44 I could not agree with you more. The conversations that took place between MP and SG are extremely pertinent, and as far as I know MP has never discussed them or their contents. Starting at 2:57 AM SG spent nine minutes speaking to MP.

    The topics could have been
    - The number of people in JB's house and their actions and behavior
    - Payment or lack of it, from JB
    - SG being uncomfortable with something she heard, saw or was asked or told.
    - A call for help to MP, to which he does not respond.

    For somebody portraying themselves as a 'good-guy' MP has a lot of explaining to do.

    MOO
    MP is one of the reasons they couldn't find Shannon to help her. If he wanted to help he would have stayed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Brendt View Post
    Hi Seaslug!

    How reliable is this information? When I follow the link, I come to JusticeForShannanGilbert.wordpress.com and there I find some of the entries from you post. But when I follow from there the link http://www.findshannangilbert.com/in...gation-part-1/
    which appears to be the source, they got the records from, I end up on some defunct site.
    So now it appears as if those records come out of the blue, but at some time, this findshannangilbert-site was active. Did you copy from there (because the justice site has less records than you have in your post above?)

    Peter
    These are the phone records that were published in Newsday as supplied by the family. I have always expressed some concern about them because they appeared to be typed by a family member. One mistake we noticed last year was calling the CVS "Oak Beach CVS".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seaslug44 View Post
    These are the phone records that were published in Newsday as supplied by the family. I have always expressed some concern about them because they appeared to be typed by a family member. One mistake we noticed last year was calling the CVS "Oak Beach CVS".
    Oh, I remember some posts from back then, but the original article disappeared in the meantime. Thanks for clearing that up.
    Did they ever figure out, which CVS it was? None in OB, I assume.
    About the rest, I'm not so sure. I have seen borderline patients call people all few minutes right at the end of a high-spirit phase. But as it looks, MP called also back, so there was at least some substance in those calls.

    Peter
    Sometimes, being a squirrel can be a real nutjob!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Brendt View Post
    Oh, I remember some posts from back then, but the original article disappeared in the meantime. Thanks for clearing that up.
    Did they ever figure out, which CVS it was? None in OB, I assume.
    About the rest, I'm not so sure. I have seen borderline patients call people all few minutes right at the end of a high-spirit phase. But as it looks, MP called also back, so there was at least some substance in those calls.

    Peter
    With all the arrests at the CVS Pharmacy stores recently, how do those locations correspond to the victims?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Brendt View Post
    Oh, I remember some posts from back then, but the original article disappeared in the meantime. Thanks for clearing that up.
    Did they ever figure out, which CVS it was? None in OB, I assume.
    About the rest, I'm not so sure. I have seen borderline patients call people all few minutes right at the end of a high-spirit phase. But as it looks, MP called also back, so there was at least some substance in those calls.

    Peter
    It was the CVS in West Islip. It is the closest to OB, but it would never be referred to ad ON CVS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcgrumpy View Post
    It was the CVS in West Islip. It is the closest to OB, but it would never be referred to ad ON CVS.
    Was that one of CVS stores recently in the paper with all of the drug arrests?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BKS View Post
    Was that one of CVS stores recently in the paper with all of the drug arrests?
    Not that I'm aware of, but I'm not familiar with the story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcgrumpy View Post
    Not that I'm aware of, but I'm not familiar with the story.
    Interesting that it is the CVS stores
    Last edited by BKS; 04-30-2012 at 09:20 PM. Reason: wording off makes a differnce
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    Quote Originally Posted by BKS View Post
    Interesting that it is the CVS stores
    Do you have a link to the story you are referring to? There are dozens of CVS stores on LI.

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