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    Quote Originally Posted by BKS View Post
    What more do they need to make an arrest?
    Evidence for an actual crime?
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    I know I'm probably in the major minority...but I truly don't buy this "undetermined" cause of death. The Medical Examiner or Suffolk County Police have*not* officially confirmed or made that statement. Only Mari and her attorney have made that statement.

    And Suffolk County *Homicide* Squad is still investigating Gilbert's case.

    http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local...149687895.html

    The Suffolk County Homicide Squad is still investigating the circumstances surrounding Shannan Gilbert's death, said Acting Police Commissioner Edward Webber.


    IMO, especially after studying the remains photo so much, I believe this "undetermined" cause of death is a huge ruse...and I believe the family had to be brought on board with the ruse & that's why they stayed over 3 hrs at the Medical Examiner's office. I also do not believe that if Mari was truly as disgusted with Suffolk County as she said (she actually stated she felt mislead & betrayed) that she would request the County keep Gilbert's remains for additional testing.

    I'm just not buying it. IMO, it's a homicide plain & simple and IMO law enforcement know it is.

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    Ruse

    And SCPD's poker face is terrible, but you can't blame them they have never played this game before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Brendt View Post
    Evidence for an actual crime?
    Duh?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BKS View Post
    Duh?!
    You asked, what they need to make an arrest ... I said, they need evidence for an actual crime. As of yet, they have a tape with an accusation from a person, that showed, additionally to a history of drug addiction and borderline, all sings of a good old drug induced paranoia, a witness, who saw her alive long enough after the call to kill her three times and also saw her running in the direction, the body was later found. They have no COD, no forensic evidence of foul play. So that's what they would need: Evidence.

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    Just to be clear - there is NO SUCH THING as a "THYROID" bone... the thyroid is a gland, not a bone. One of the first things you would look for when performing a forensic evaluation of a skeleton would be the "HYOID" bone - it is the neck bone that is broken if you strangle someone to death. Here is a picture of it... Does anyone know what other bone besides the hyoid was missing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reannan View Post
    Just to be clear - there is NO SUCH THING as a "THYROID" bone... the thyroid is a gland, not a bone. One of the first things you would look for when performing a forensic evaluation of a skeleton would be the "HYOID" bone - it is the neck bone that is broken if you strangle someone to death. Here is a picture of it... Does anyone know what other bone besides the hyoid was missing?
    Thanks for clearing that up, three days or so after we cleared it up already. But you're right, the "thyroid bine" came from a bad translation mistake, I did. So I apologize a second time for being multilingual. And since they said, two neck bones are missing, my bet for the other one would be C2 or C3.

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    We (meaning us on this board) are in a crappy spot. We need some key details of this case and we can not have access to it. I understand that completely (obviously). The cops know if she was placed there......no doubt they know.You ( You meaning my fellow sleuthers) and I do not know and it would be nice for us to be able to stop having to run around in circles trying to figure things out the cops already know.

    Like I said, I understand the SCPD and FBI are playing this close to the chest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reannan View Post
    Just to be clear - there is NO SUCH THING as a "THYROID" bone... the thyroid is a gland, not a bone. One of the first things you would look for when performing a forensic evaluation of a skeleton would be the "HYOID" bone - it is the neck bone that is broken if you strangle someone to death. Here is a picture of it... Does anyone know what other bone besides the hyoid was missing?

    Thanks man, I saw it written both ways. I know the thyroid is a gland. I am a financial/astronomy guy......not biology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LINative13 View Post
    We (meaning us on this board) are in a crappy spot. We need some key details of this case and we can not have access to it. I understand that completely (obviously). The cops know if she was placed there......no doubt they know.You ( You meaning my fellow sleuthers) and I do not know and it would be nice for us to be able to stop having to run around in circles trying to figure things out the cops already know.

    Like I said, I understand the SCPD and FBI are playing this close to the chest.
    On a side note: In the 70s and early 80s, they were more open to the public, often also aksed for the help of the public as soon as they had something, they could use to involve the public. Since then, they learned to play it closer to the chest. Since then, the career time of serial killers also tripled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Brendt View Post
    You asked, what they need to make an arrest ... I said, they need evidence for an actual crime. As of yet, they have a tape with an accusation from a person, that showed, additionally to a history of drug addiction and borderline, all sings of a good old drug induced paranoia, a witness, who saw her alive long enough after the call to kill her three times and also saw her running in the direction, the body was later found. They have no COD, no forensic evidence of foul play. So that's what they would need: Evidence.

    Peter
    So prostitution, human trafficking and the opportunity and motive to kill, plus the 911 call describing her attacker isn't enough. Gee wonder when common sense comes in to play?
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    common sense? peter said they need evidence

    Quote Originally Posted by BKS View Post
    So prostitution, human trafficking and the opportunity and motive to kill, plus the 911 call describing her attacker isn't enough. Gee wonder when common sense comes in to play?
    BKS - thank you for your two cents about common sense

    but Peter Brandt is an attorney and he said that they need evidence a crime has been committed. he's just stating the law.

    i would think that the 911 call NAMING her attacker who is trying to kill her would BE evidence... but Peter is pointing out that (i think) the police are going to ARGUE that.... SMG had a history of... bi-polar disorder and/or doing drugs, and so, she was....on a BAD batch of drugs THINKING her driver and her john (but they did not name jb or did she?) could be ANOTHER john in that gated community...were trying to kill her.

    how can a woman (who ended up dead) calling 911 saying SO AND SO and also SO AND SO are trying to KILL me NOT be evidence...????
    can someone please explain that one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Brendt View Post
    On a side note: In the 70s and early 80s, they were more open to the public, often also aksed for the help of the public as soon as they had something, they could use to involve the public. Since then, they learned to play it closer to the chest. Since then, the career time of serial killers also tripled.

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    This is such an excellent point. It seems in the quest to rule out the crazies and build airtight cases, LE has limited the involvement of its greatest tool and ally: the public. I remember when the snipers were here in DC it was a guy sitting at a rest stop in Maryland who finally got those jerks busted because he had the car description and license plate number once they went public with them. Also, Ted Kaczynski's brother recognized his wording after the manifesto was published. Even though nobody believed her at the time, Ted Bundy's girlfriend reported him early on because in addition to other things, she knew he had plaster of paris which you can use to make the fake casts he was fashioning. Almost nobody lives in a vacuum and all it takes is one person close to the perpetrator to put 2 and 2 together. I understand the spot LE is in, but I really do think these guys careers go on and on and on sometimes because information is only dispersed to a small pool of people.
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    I remember searching for news about Shannan and the other GB4 after Thanksgiving 2011, and I vividly remember the article that was posted, which seemed to indicate that LE had received some sort of 'tip' about Shannan's body being dumped along LIE. It did not take them long to find her belongings, and then her. I still want to know how they knew to look for her there, and who told them to go do it.....

    From Newsday article published November 30, 2011 @ 9:45 PM

    "A Suffolk police spokeswoman said the commissioner received information from the department's detective division Wednesday morning indicating the "possibility" that Gilbert may be dead, with her body dumped along the parkway."
    http://www.newsday.com/news/breaking...ilgo-1.3357869

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    Quote Originally Posted by BKS View Post
    So prostitution, human trafficking and the opportunity and motive to kill, plus the 911 call describing her attacker isn't enough. Gee wonder when common sense comes in to play?
    1.) They can arrest Shannan Gilbert's remains for prostitution. Fine, but I don't see how this would solve anything.

    2.) Human trafficking would involve either illegal transportation (for example a coyote), for example over a border or transport Shannan Gilbert againt her will (as secondary charge to kidnapping). Nothing of that would apply here, at least not as long as someone can prove, she had a pimp, who "rented" her out.

    3.) Opportunity to kill alone doesn't even constitute probably cause.

    4.) The 911 call would have been a chance if police would have been on the scene faster, and then only for minor charges. But a call from a person not knowing where she is, 18 minutes long on the phone and alive ... well, that doesn't look too reasonable. Especially not, if there is at least one witness who saw her running in the direction where she was found later. Especially not, if this witness' (Coletti) testimony is consistent with the statements of Pak and Brewer (even under lie detector).

    <modsnip>.

    Peter
    Last edited by Salem; 05-05-2012 at 11:22 PM. Reason: Please don't tell others how to post.
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