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    Quote Originally Posted by LINative13 View Post
    I am a babylon resident, avid surfer and sport fisherman. I know the water pretty well. The area where SG was found is effected by tides, but I do not want the impression to be given off that the water rushes in or out and rapids form because the tidal rush is so extreme. In fact the area where SG was found is mostly mud not waist high water (just using waist high as a reference.....I do not know exactly how high the water is). I actually think Truth walked the entire trail recently. He did not mention treacherous terrain.
    Please read the numerous news reports regarding the area where she was found.......here's just one...http://www.newsday.com/news/breaking...eath-1.3388774

    "which police have said would have been under two to three feet of water at the time"

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrspatton View Post
    Please read the numerous news reports regarding the area where she was found.......here's just one...http://www.newsday.com/news/breaking...eath-1.3388774

    "which police have said would have been under two to three feet of water at the time"
    I have read that as well. Being a local, I second the statement that it is usually just mud. The only time I have seen that area actually 'under water' (2 feet plus) was during a hurricane. Granted I'm not there everyday, but often enough to make an opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny9 View Post
    the area where sg was found was closer to ocean pkwy.on a trail and about a 100ft just west of the exit ramp to get onto pkwy.i have lived in west islip most of my life and have taken ocean pkwy millions of time getting off this ramp and i dont ever remember this area being under water.the bay is on one side and the channel on the other,maybe during a hurricane they have met but not on an rainy day.

    First of all mashes do not have to "meet" with the bay to flood or because of rain....here's some information on how marshes "work" so to speak.

    http://www.nwrc.usgs.gov/factshts/fs91_97.pdf

    Marshes are under some water most of the time and grow and change when the sea level rises, as in tides,...anyway... here, again is one of numerous news stories stating the area was flooded..

    Please read the numerous news reports regarding the area where she was found.......here's just one...http://www.newsday.com/news/breaking...eath-1.3388774

    "which police have said would have been under two to three feet of water at the time" (the night of May 1st)

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    Just remember thought that the night she went missing, May 1, the tides were at their highest of the month. Also keep in mind she was a slender small woman, and had already been running and scared for some time before entering the marshes. I would think this would contribute to extreme fatigue before she even entered the marsh. It was also dark and she wouldn't have been able to see if she had stepped into a deep heavy mud patch.

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    911 call AND Medical Examiner's Final Report

    Until we can hear the actual entire 911 call
    AND see the Medical Examiner's Final Report on Shannan Gilbert

    we are literally still in the dark regarding this case.

    I have never been to the area Shannan Gilbert ran from - to or was finally disposited.

    But I am very clear that the marsh is inpenetrable. Completely inpenetrable. TS mentioned in a thread above that
    "impenetrable without the right tools and hours of work"

    What completely escapes me is - why was Mallia searching THREE or FOUR or FIVE MILES AWAY from the last location that Shannan was seen running towards? Why didnt the police search that area in December 2010 when they found the Gilgo 4? And I just dont understand WHY the police were searching the Gilgo area (if that's what it is designated as....) when they found (Was it Megan Waterman they found first?)

    That area is literally FOUR or FIVE miles up the road on Ocean Parkway. WHY WERENT THE POLICE SEARCHING THAT MARSH WHERE SHANNAN WAS FOUND as diligently as they were the Gilgo Beach area?? off of Ocean Parkway.

    It makes absolutely NO SENSE.

    TKM.
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    http://www.thedaily.com/page/2011/12...al-killer-1-4/

    a photo of the police on an amphibious vehicle searching the marsh..it is not completely impenetrable except I believe where Shannon would have tried to get to the parkway from the marsh area. That would have been extremely difficult because of the thick brambles, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by truthspider View Post
    I did walk the entire known trail that SG took, I did not take the fictional trail from the road, to where her possessions were found, to where her remains were found because you can't. You couldn't access the marsh from the road there where this fictional trail would require, until LE plowed 2 entrances with heavy machinery.

    The trail she did follow that morning is well known, from JB's house over to the top of hatch way where she was last seen by BB. The notion that she could even make it into the marsh from this area doesn't seem realistic to me because from what I was able to observe the hedge of thorned thicket along the road would be impenetrable without the right tools and hours of work.

    The only access to the marsh I could see is from either doubling back once you reach the far east end of oak beach, or from the known access point in the backyard of 47 larboard ct., or from ocean parkway. There may be some other entrance from behind some of the other houses east on larboard ct. but I couldn't see any.

    As for the amount of water in the salt marsh area, sure I could see puddles and we all know about the vector control ditches, but nothing that someone would drowned in, not without a hurricane driven tidal surge in my opinion.

    Native, I'm a baymen and have been a surfer (body boarder, sponger, shark biscuit) since I was 8. I bet if you head into the marshy area with a crab net you could pull all sorts of really interesting things from the muddy bottoms of those vector control ditches..... wanna suit up? If we jump in and do the clam dance we will probably find lots of little bones...
    The clam dance?? Ha I havent done that in a year or two. We used to pull those little abstards out by the bucket by the old frank and dicks. You bring the lemon drop kush, I will bring the summer ale. The hell with a crab net...how about a clam rake?

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    Quote Originally Posted by To Kill a Mockingbird View Post
    Hi Peter:

    I enjoy your posts and I listened to you on the Websleuths show last night, but I am confused.

    You are discussing Shannan Running from Mr. Coletti's and being found in the marsh, but you did not mention that you actually went to the scene of the "crime" and scouted out the terrain.

    I wish you would go to Oak Beach and see how inpenetrable that marsh is, and the route that is alleged that Shannan took from Brewer's to Coletti's to (final place) Brennan's.

    Id be keen to see your theory once you walked that route.

    Thank you for being on the show last night.
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    yes you are correct.the ways the bushes are entangled its like vines growing sideways,so if she was running into the bushes from oak beach community it would be imossible you would not be able to do it ths why those big machines were brought in.now if she was running from ocean pkwy she would be ble to be found where she was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by To Kill a Mockingbird View Post

    What completely escapes me is - why was Mallia searching THREE or FOUR or FIVE MILES AWAY from the last location that Shannan was seen running towards? Why didnt the police search that area in December 2010 when they found the Gilgo 4? And I just dont understand WHY the police were searching the Gilgo area (if that's what it is designated as....) when they found (Was it Megan Waterman they found first?)

    That area is literally FOUR or FIVE miles up the road on Ocean Parkway. WHY WERENT THE POLICE SEARCHING THAT MARSH WHERE SHANNAN WAS FOUND as diligently as they were the Gilgo Beach area?? off of Ocean Parkway.

    It makes absolutely NO SENSE.

    TKM.
    They were doing a training exercise..Or at least that's what LE said to the press when they found #1 of the GB4. That quickly was changed a day or two later. They were officially searching for SG when they stumbled upon all these remains. You can paint your own picture about what they were doing over there, I will stick to a training exercise. They didn't seem to care about her the night she went missing in May and they want us to believe they were still searching 6 months later?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrspatton View Post
    Oak Beach is not Hell town. As a former long time summer resident I can tell you its a lovely community with part time and full time residents who are very close and enjoy the peace and beauty of the local landscape. We never even locked our doors. As far as animals, foxes, skunks, raccoons, opossums and of course lots of birds. The water does come in and flood the area that Shannon Gilbert was found in, and its also very very dense. To me it makes sense she could have gotten lost and ended up tragically dying in the marsh of causes unrelated to the LISK. Only time will tell of course, but to believe the OB community is some vast cult like community conspiring to keep the truth from being revealed is absolute rubbish!
    can you explain what very very dense means?are you talking about the bushes?have you ever tried to run thru them when you lived there?


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    I have no time to educate about the differences between a freshwater wetland and a saltwater tidal marsh. All I can say is that anyone from the area would clearly know that the wetlands where SG was found is not a saltwater tidal marsh.

    This is what a saltwater tidal marsh looks like;

    And this is what the freshwater wetlands where SG was found looks like;
    [IMG]http://media.philly.com/images/600*450/20111214_inq_jbeach14-b.JPG[/IMG]

    Here is another view of a saltwater tidal marsh;


    And here is one more photo of the freshwater wetlands next to Oak Beach;


    If you cannot see the difference then there is not much more I can do to prove it to you other than offering a taste of the water.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrspatton View Post
    Just remember thought that the night she went missing, May 1, the tides were at their highest of the month. Also keep in mind she was a slender small woman, and had already been running and scared for some time before entering the marshes. I would think this would contribute to extreme fatigue before she even entered the marsh. It was also dark and she wouldn't have been able to see if she had stepped into a deep heavy mud patch.
    have to disagee on the darkness.it was 5 15 am that she alledgedly left jb house and got to gc house i would say between phone calls and running around and if witnesses claim they saw her running then it was not dark out t all,at 5 20 am on may 1 2012 it was beaking daylite,im up everyday at this time and its not dark.the sun might not be up but the sky is light.also if it was dark how could people see her?i dont recall many lights in the community and i have been there several times visiting friends.imo

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    I believe sunrise was closer to 6 am that day. There are some lights of course where the houses/residents, but once she entered the marsh there are no lights. I know how dawn can have some light but even so it was just sunrise, not a lot of light and I still believe that it didn't help the situation if Shannon was in the marsh and lost. So maybe not dark, but certainly not complete bright daylight.

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    mrspatton,we are not attacking you and i dont believe the marshes really matter if ther salt or fresh water.what we are getting to was how much "ground water was actually there on may 1st.sg mother very clearly stated she would not run towards water,she was afraid of it.so being that she ran thru these very dense thicket and may have drowned in water which you are saying could have been 2 ft or more dont you think she would have saw it?and not ran towards it?and also how long ago did you move from the community?i know some are long time residents but alot are also newer.so maybe you dont know who the newer neighbors are?imo
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    You only need to watch numerous crime shows to see parents who can't believe their children did something, from meeting someone, to marrying someone, to taking drugs, to many many things. Shannon wasn't thinking rationally and was scared, and from reports (not yet substantiated I think from the autopsy?) high. None of this points to her acting in a "normal" manner. And she actually wasn't running towards the water but away from it, ie the ocean, and heading towards the parkway. However, marshes can be tricky, she very well could of started in and then stepped into water without seeing it. Plus two feet of water may not have deterred her like the ocean may have. But think quicksand regarding the marsh, which you don't know is quicksand until you are in it. I'm really not sure what you are asking about newer neighbors but it seems you are saying, again, there are some evil types there. I suppose that is possible anywhere and I am certainly not saying JB had no culpability in the events up to her death or is a "nice" guy so to speak. Actually it does matter about the freshwater vs salt as to how marshes change with the tides on a daily basis. Oak beach has many summer residents that come and go, as well as older full time residents. But overall its pretty tight and most people know each other. I've been away for a few years, but spent about ten years as a summer resident.

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