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    Photos from various cases (click on left-column names on the main photobucket page...they are in alphabetical order) http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/

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    In the article, he says he did an "ambulance run." What was that call about? Who dispatched it? Was it legit? Could the ambulance hold a clue?

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    Hartman tells KOMO News he made an ambulance run later in the evening of June 26, and when he returned to McCleary, the search for Lindsey already was under way.

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    POI in Lindsey's Case

    Let's get a dedicated thread going here. I'm going to move the posts from the general discussion over.

    Prayers for Lindsey and that she is home soon.

    Salem

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    Besides being the owner of Hartman Jewelry, what does Tim Hartman do?

    His T-shirt in the surveillance vid says 'fire', so is he an EMT, a paramedic, volunteer fireman?


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    Didn't one (or more) of our sleuths figure out how to get the call records? It would be good to chase down that ambulance call. Somewhere TH's says he volunteers for two counties. I'll see if I can find that link???

    Salem

    ETA:
    The man tells KING 5 it is him on the video and admits he told police he wasn’t in McCleary. However, he said that he was working as volunteer firefighter in both Mason and Grays Harbor Counties and forgot he stopped at the store while driving between locations.

    http://www.king5.com/news/local/Vide...139030629.html

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    wow, I thought at first the two sisters were the POI's but it looks like LE wanted to talk to them about their interaction with Tim Hartman.

    if he was nervous in the variety store, that could be attributed to his being on the way to a call - maybe he felt ashamed about stopping enroute to an emergency?

    I've read that he was between calls & also that he was on his way home from one ... wonder which is accurate

    I don't have much faith in polygraphs so I usually discount that info

    what eats at me is his involvement in a search - on the surface, it's logical that a volunteer fireman who heard the news on his radio would go help search but I have the creeps about it - major creeps

    we all know there are some personalities in the world who like to boost their ego by involving themselves in crisis, and sometimes creating that crisis ...

    I really hope this isn't an innocent man being blasted all over the internet & media

    when did LE talk to him first? if I was asked months later, I'd probably forget about stopping at a store too

    I'm conflicted about this POI

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    When LE executed search warrants on TH's home and business a few months ago, they said it would "either sharpen their focus on the man or rule him out."

    Well, it certainly doesn't sound like they've eliminated him, now does it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LadyL View Post
    wow, I thought at first the two sisters were the POI's but it looks like LE wanted to talk to them about their interaction with Tim Hartman.

    if he was nervous in the variety store, that could be attributed to his being on the way to a call - maybe he felt ashamed about stopping enroute to an emergency?

    I've read that he was between calls & also that he was on his way home from one ... wonder which is accurate

    I don't have much faith in polygraphs so I usually discount that info

    what eats at me is his involvement in a search - on the surface, it's logical that a volunteer fireman who heard the news on his radio would go help search but I have the creeps about it - major creeps

    we all know there are some personalities in the world who like to boost their ego by involving themselves in crisis, and sometimes creating that crisis ...

    I really hope this isn't an innocent man being blasted all over the internet & media

    when did LE talk to him first? if I was asked months later, I'd probably forget about stopping at a store too

    I'm conflicted about this POI
    From the article linked upstream,it appears that he was interviewed very quickly, not just months later. He was initially interviewed because they spoke to EVERYONE that was working/living along Lindsey's route home. At that time he told LE that he was NOT even in town at the time she went missing.

    It was not until months later that they figured out that was not true. So his lie was not from it being a long time later. He told LE that lie right at the start I believe.
    “Every day that they don’t find something is good for me.“ Billie Dunn

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    Quote Originally Posted by LadyL View Post
    wow, I thought at first the two sisters were the POI's but it looks like LE wanted to talk to them about their interaction with Tim Hartman.

    if he was nervous in the variety store, that could be attributed to his being on the way to a call - maybe he felt ashamed about stopping enroute to an emergency?

    I've read that he was between calls & also that he was on his way home from one ... wonder which is accurate

    I don't have much faith in polygraphs so I usually discount that info

    what eats at me is his involvement in a search - on the surface, it's logical that a volunteer fireman who heard the news on his radio would go help search but I have the creeps about it - major creeps

    we all know there are some personalities in the world who like to boost their ego
    by involving themselves in crisis, and sometimes creating that crisis ...

    I really hope this isn't an innocent man being blasted all over the internet & media

    when did LE talk to him first? if I was asked months later, I'd probably forget about stopping at a store too

    I'm conflicted about this POI
    The fact that he went to the home and took the mother around for the 'search' creeps me out. Shades of the tragic Jorelys case, imo.

    And the fire captain said he has no memory of asking Tim to go and search that night. SoI think he might have just wanted to see upfront and personal the agony he caused.
    “Every day that they don’t find something is good for me.“ Billie Dunn

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    Quote Originally Posted by katydid23 View Post
    Thank you. I found the answer to my question in that article. It said that his jewelry store is on the route that Lindsey would have walked home. So he came to their attention initially just like eery other person who lives/works on that route. But something caught LE's attention and he was given two polygraphs, and failed the first one apparently. The second was inconclusive.

    Interesting that the video is time stamped just a few minutes AFTER LB was last seen. So speculation is that she would still be in his van outside at the time the video was shot. And people in the comment section said he seemed nervous and was looking out to his van a few times.

    Also, in the comment section, somebody posted several court orders about some kind of lawsuits involving him. A dozen altogether. Anyone know what that is all about?


    I wonder why Tim Hartman was in court for all these cases:

    1996
    Hartman, Timothy
    Respondent Grays Harbor Dist #1 96-1-0480 07-08-1996

    2002
    Hartman, Tim
    Respondent Grays Harbor Dist #1 Y2-1-D814 06-14-2002

    2006
    Hartman, Timothy Wayne
    Respondent Grays Harbor Dist #2 Y6-2-D387 03-21-2006

    2007
    Hartman, Timothy Wayne
    Defendant Grays Harbor Dist #2 IN0073620 11-30-2007

    These are cases only in Grays Harbor county....he has 3 more in Snohomish county, 4 in Yakima county.
    I may have duplicated some of what you have above..anyone know how we find out what these cases were about?

    1 Hartman, Tim
    Respondent Grays Harbor Dist #1 Y2-1-D814 06-14-2002

    2 Hartman, Tim W
    Defendant Yakima County Dist B00047263 07-07-1989

    3 Hartman, Tim W
    Defendant Yakima County Dist 5146630 06-07-1988

    4 Hartman, Tim W
    Defendant Yakima County Dist 61488 03-16-2009

    5 Hartman, Tim Wayne
    Defendant Yakima Superior 78-1-00077-6 02-03-1978

    6 Hartman, Timothy
    3rd Party Defendant Yakima Superior 81-2-00277-2 02-11-1981

    7 Hartman, Timothy
    Respondent Grays Harbor Dist #1 96-1-0480 07-08-1996

    8 Hartman, Timothy W
    Respondent Yakima Superior 96-3-01114-5 11-18-1996

    9 Hartman, Timothy Wayne
    Respondent Grays Harbor Dist #2 Y6-2-D387 03-21-2006

    10 Hartman, Timothy Wayne
    Defendant Everett Municipal 64-090643 09-19-1988

    11 Hartman, Timothy Wayne
    Defendant Everett Municipal 64-090644 09-21-1988

    12 Hartman, Timothy Wayne
    Defendant Everett Municipal 90-004228 05-08-1990

    13 Hartman, Timothy Wayne
    Appellant Coa, Division I 363867 04-05-1995

    14 Hartman, Timothy Wayne
    Defendant Grays Harbor Dist #2 IN0073620 11-30-2007


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    Quote Originally Posted by katydid23 View Post
    The fact that he went to the home and took the mother around for the 'search' creeps me out. Shades of the tragic Jorelys case, imo.

    And the fire captain said he has no memory of asking Tim to go and search that night. SoI think he might have just wanted to see upfront and personal the agony he caused.
    correction.. it was the chief of Police.. Officer Crumb not the fire captain that TH says asked him to search.

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    I've heard it from a very good authority that perps have been known to show up at searches. So, if this is the perp and he knew where Lindsey was, he was concerned they might find her or he wouldn't have done that. IMO

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    I do believe that TH was married and divorced years ago.. so some of those cases in the courts might be divorce.

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    I don't know about Washington, but in Oregon you pretty much have to go to the county courthouse to get copies of the documents and see what the court cases were about.

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    Mom, I removed the genealogy. The owners are reviewing whether we should do genealogy in cases and we haven't gotten an answer to that yet. I'll let you guys know when the mods find out.

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