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    AR - Mom charged after forcing 10-yr-old to walk 4.5 miles

    http://www.kait8.com/story/16945922/...ool?hpt=ju_bn5

    Police cited Valerie Borders, 34, on Monday for endangering the welfare of a minor in the second degree.

    had recently lost his bus-riding privileges for the fifth time

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    Sounds like a Mom at the end of her frustration tolerence level. He keeps getting himself suspended from the bus. I couldn't do it. But I have known other parents who have done it. And usually after the kid has to walk back and forth to school once or twice they start behaving on the bus.
    Just when I think that I have seen the most depraved things a human can do to another human, somebody posts a new story...........

    Why is it that when a custodial parent fails to provide for a child it is called neglect and is a criminal matter. But when a non custodial parent fails to provide it is called failure to support and is a civil matter?


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    I am pleased to see that the boy is taking personal responsibility for being kicked off the bus repeatedly.

    Im not going to trash this mom too much. As a mom, Ive been at the end of my rope before, unsure of how to teach my children about reprecussions of bad choices.

    That being said, I, myself personally, wouldn't have been able to let him walk alone. I would have probably followed at a distance as to not be seen, to make sure he was safe, but I'm a worrier

    It is stated in the article that the mom advised him "not to stop walking or talk to anyone until he made it to school".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lovejac View Post
    I am pleased to see that the boy is taking personal responsibility for being kicked off the bus repeatedly.

    Im not going to trash this mom too much. As a mom, Ive been at the end of my rope before, unsure of how to teach my children about reprecussions of bad choices.

    That being said, I, myself personally, wouldn't have been able to let him walk alone. I would have probably followed at a distance as to not be seen, to make sure he was safe, but I'm a worrier

    It is stated in the article that the mom advised him "not to stop walking or talk to anyone until he made it to school".
    I actually give this mother some credit. The only thing she did wrong was not following him to make sure he was safe. Her punishment fit the crime. You act out and get kicked off the bus, well I guess you have to get to school on your own. The bus is a privilege. I bet he behaves on the bus now. I hope that the charges against her are dropped.

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    What is the crime here? I rode my bike to school alone at that age (in the 70's but still) and my dad was a cop.

    The mom, it seems, is damned if she does and damned if she doesn't. She is trying to force a consequence to his actions (you will have to find your own way to school if you get kicked off the bus), which is what a parent does. Almost 5 miles seems to be kinda far, but not child abuse?

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    I, too, can't blame the mother for trying to teach her son a lesson. He had been kicked off the bus multiple times for bad behavior. I agree that she should have followed him to ensure his safety. It seems like he has learned his lesson and will hopefully behave himself now that he has caused his mother so much trouble. I could never have tried this as my daughters school was 20+ miles away. We had no choice but to drive back and forth everyday. I still think the mother was right in her punishment, just not perfect in the execution. Hope the charges are dropped.
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    I don't see a crime here? Charges need to be dropped! Such a waste of time, money, and energy to charge her in the first place. Especially reading here and seeing what truely horrific things are happening to children right under the noses of DCF/LE/School Systems.
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    This is about an hour south of me, in the largest city in NE Arkansas. It is a college town also, around 75000 people. My daughter attends the University there. The area the boy was made to walk thru is a major road 6 lanes and would be highly congested at that time of day. No crosswalks, a bank and several shopping malls. The city has been trying to find a way to build another bypass to help with the traffic, very dangerous area.

    I agree that she needed to teach him a lesson but I can see why she's been charged too.

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    JONESBORO, AR Hmmmmmmm I wonder if the walk is any more dangerous then the school.

    Some irony there when you think about what the town is famous for.

    Westside School Shooting

    In the early afternoon of March 24, 1998, two students from Westside Middle School, located approximately two miles west of Jonesboro (Craighead County), conducted an armed ambush on teachers and students, which resulted in five dead and ten others injured. The shooters, Andrew Golden and Mitchell Johnson, were arrested and prosecuted for the crime. The incident was one of two school shootings in Arkansas and one of several school shootings across the nation that adjusted school administrators’ and law enforcement officers’ concepts on school security and response plans to violent incidents at schools.

    http://www.encyclopediaofarkansas.ne...x?entryid=3717

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Fessel View Post
    JONESBORO, AR Hmmmmmmm I wonder if the walk is any more dangerous then the school.

    Some irony there when you think about what the town is famous for.

    Westside School Shooting

    In the early afternoon of March 24, 1998, two students from Westside Middle School, located approximately two miles west of Jonesboro (Craighead County), conducted an armed ambush on teachers and students, which resulted in five dead and ten others injured. The shooters, Andrew Golden and Mitchell Johnson, were arrested and prosecuted for the crime. The incident was one of two school shootings in Arkansas and one of several school shootings across the nation that adjusted school administrators’ and law enforcement officers’ concepts on school security and response plans to violent incidents at schools.

    http://www.encyclopediaofarkansas.ne...x?entryid=3717
    Yes Jonesboro is known for the above. The crime rate in Jonesboro is low and the schools are safe. In this case the traffic is the problem, not guns.


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    I also would like to know, what would the officers do if this was their child?

    This appears to me to be a "natural consequence."
    You miss the bus, you walk to school.
    You get into the treats, you don't get desert.
    You don't pick up your toys, I take them away.

    This is all very odd to me... because in MY area the police won't stop a 3 year old walking down the street alone even if you CALL them.
    As long as they are able to walk and not crawl and they stay out of the (middle of the) road, they are on their own.

    So is it illegal to walk to school in this area? Do people just watch for kids walking?
    Is there is law that says kids cannot cross if the road is a certain size? Is this told to parents at the beginning of the year?

    http://www.kait8.com/story/16945922/...ool?hpt=ju_bn5

    His mother sent him to school on foot Monday as punishment for the repeated suspensions.
    He only made it a few blocks before he was picked up by police.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MsFacetious View Post
    I also would like to know, what would the officers do if this was their child?

    This appears to me to be a "natural consequence."
    You miss the bus, you walk to school.
    You get into the treats, you don't get desert.
    You don't pick up your toys, I take them away.

    This is all very odd to me... because in MY area the police won't stop a 3 year old walking down the street alone even if you CALL them.
    As long as they are able to walk and not crawl and they stay out of the (middle of the) road, they are on their own.

    So is it illegal to walk to school in this area? Do people just watch for kids walking?
    Is there is law that says kids cannot cross if the road is a certain size? Is this told to parents at the beginning of the year?

    http://www.kait8.com/story/16945922/...ool?hpt=ju_bn5

    His mother sent him to school on foot Monday as punishment for the repeated suspensions.
    He only made it a few blocks before he was picked up by police.
    At ten years old, I was probably walking, running, biking a minimum of ten miles a day! I'm not that old so the dangers today are the same as they were when I was growing up.

    I had to walk to school (Middle and High School) and had to cross major intersections? That's what the crosswalks are for! If you use them properly and you don't have to dodge idiot drives, you'll be fine. But those same dangers lie with any adult walking or riding their bike?

    This mother shouldn't have to rearrange her schedule and possibly lose her job just because her kid can't behave on the bus! I don't know this for sure, but she is probably a single mother doing the best she can do without a man in the house. Walking never killed anyone! The boy probably was getting more exercise in that one day than he had in a whole year!
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    I read nearly every day about pedestrians killed so depending on whether the child had to cross any major roads making this child walk to school could be very dangerous indeed.
    Just my opinion

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    Quote Originally Posted by kseal07 View Post
    This is about an hour south of me, in the largest city in NE Arkansas. It is a college town also, around 75000 people. My daughter attends the University there. The area the boy was made to walk thru is a major road 6 lanes and would be highly congested at that time of day. No crosswalks, a bank and several shopping malls. The city has been trying to find a way to build another bypass to help with the traffic, very dangerous area.

    I agree that she needed to teach him a lesson but I can see why she's been charged too.
    That does put a different light on it for me. Natural consequences are great, but being run over by a car isn't a natural consequence of misbehaving on the bus. Following her child wouldn't keep him safe from traffic. Maybe she should drive him and make him work for the "cab fare."

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    The irony of all this is that I'm sure there are Jonesboro residents saying, "What's the big deal? I walked that far to school every day!" Of course that was back when there wasn't nearly as much traffic.

    I think this was an effective method of getting the point across (the bus is a privilege) had the mom followed the child, getting out to help him across the busy intersections. I also think there are times when we need to revert to "Andy Taylor" justice: just go talk to the momma and explain why this wasn't such a great idea as implemented. And then have a word or two with the boy.

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