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    Quote Originally Posted by dc20015 View Post

    Yes, That's it. Thanks Dc Didn't they lose their license for awhile for selling to a minor?

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    I haven't been able to find anything new regarding JB in the MSM. I don't even know enough about him to post anything.

    If anybody finds any new MSM articles about JB, please post a link.

    Thnx in advance!

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    Has anyone analysed all the FB contacts of JB. I found one his friend to be a cop in NY. I will post if its not against the TOS. Also, I would like to know if anyone contacted his friends from FB about JB and his story? I know its little over the line but some of his friends might not be aware of what he is involved in.

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    I think its a step way to far to harass friends of people or these people involved in the case like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by En Passant View Post
    I Heard that was a rumor....but you hear it again & wonder.....than you hear Mari asked about girl & child & she was told nothing, so it does make you wonder what we are not being told......
    Now have you heard about the young Black Street walker who was drugged & found in neighboring community & she claimed to be drugged & was going to be Killed....that is NOT a rumor that is factual.....What have people thought about this???????
    What neighboring community? I live in the area and I haven't heard that story. Where did you hear it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by goathairjones View Post
    I have a friend that knows JB. Last year, I finally got up the nerve to ask him about JB. First thing he said to me was "He's a coke-head!". I have had subsequent talks with this friend and he does not believe that JB is the SK. But that first comment about him stuck out in my head.

    Today I was doing some research and I came across this:


    Kimberly Overstreet, the sister of Amber Costello, has worked as a prostitute on and off for years and even introduced her sister to the profession. She is the most blunt about the girls' situations and even argues with the other victims' family members about what she sees as overly naive views of the killings. But she comes back to the drugs:

    "The connection between these four women is cocaine," she says when we're alone. "That wasn't my sister's drug of choice, but she had access to it. And if it was gonna make her money, she would do it. Shannan had a history of coke. Even though people won't admit it in public, just do your research and you'll see. So I think the killer likes to get high."

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    Very interesting. Me personally, I don't think JB is bright enough to be the SK. But maybe it's all a front.

    My vision of the SK is someone that is very meticulous and very clean. JB is probably the furthest thing from that. Even though he lives in a nice neighborhood and his family owns a lot of real estate, JB is a slob! His house is the worst house on the block. So to me, it doesn't make sense that he is the SK. Especially since the MO with SG was so different from the other girls.

    Time will tell (I hope). It should be very interesting to see how this all plays out.
    Reannan--First off, I'm beginning to really doubt JB is the SK as well. Yes, I would think that Melissa's sister would be able to recognize his voice if he was.

    goathairjones--always interesting to hear information from you locals! Yeah, it didn't surprise me to hear that JB was into the coke. I do think Kimberly Overstreet is right that the sk is into blow and most likely, booze. I have suspicions that the killer may slip date rape drugs/benzos or quaaludes in the girls drinks. I really don't think JB is the SK either, you're right, he's just not meticulous or smart enough to be the guy. And I'm just writing off the top of my head, perhaps someone else has mentioned this--the real reason I think he can't be the SK is the killer doesn't ever want to deal with a woman who has a driver/pimp. It'd be way too sloppy and risky for him to have her delivered like JB did. He usually picks them up in places where there aren't any prying eyes, then whisks them away. I think all of the Gilgo4 were picked up in this manner.

    I'm also wondering about the stalking angle, I know it's not a new theory. He knew what Melissa's sister looked like, that her bf had tattoos on his back. Said he knew where the Barthelemys lived-that's ultra creepy and chilling! Perhaps he follows these girls for awhile in order to pick up on some of their habits (as well as bf's and/or pimps). Could he have taken one of the girls soon after a "date"? Just thinking out loud...

    MOO

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    Quote Originally Posted by alaskanblue View Post
    Reannan--First off, I'm beginning to really doubt JB is the SK as well. Yes, I would think that Melissa's sister would be able to recognize his voice if he was.

    goathairjones--always interesting to hear information from you locals! Yeah, it didn't surprise me to hear that JB was into the coke. I do think Kimberly Overstreet is right that the sk is into blow and most likely, booze. I have suspicions that the killer may slip date rape drugs/benzos or quaaludes in the girls drinks. I really don't think JB is the SK either, you're right, he's just not meticulous or smart enough to be the guy. And I'm just writing off the top of my head, perhaps someone else has mentioned this--the real reason I think he can't be the SK is the killer doesn't ever want to deal with a woman who has a driver/pimp. It'd be way too sloppy and risky for him to have her delivered like JB did. He usually picks them up in places where there aren't any prying eyes, then whisks them away. I think all of the Gilgo4 were picked up in this manner.

    I'm also wondering about the stalking angle, I know it's not a new theory. He knew what Melissa's sister looked like, that her bf had tattoos on his back. Said he knew where the Barthelemys lived-that's ultra creepy and chilling! Perhaps he follows these girls for awhile in order to pick up on some of their habits (as well as bf's and/or pimps). Could he have taken one of the girls soon after a "date"? Just thinking out loud...

    MOO
    After reading your post I had an idea. Dahmer slipped his victims drugs to knock them out. He didn't like the killing but it was a means to an end.
    He was sort of a shy "nerdy" guy. Maybe the LISK is also sort of an unsuspecting "nerdy guy". This would explain ,if he was a customer before he killed, why the girls trusted him enough to let down their guard. A "rich tech nerd" who likes kinky stuff. Just a thought.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seaslug44 View Post
    Hi. You are not going to find any information about this anywhere because it is nothing more than another rumor created to add suspense to this case (and suspicion about JB). It shouldn't even be allowed to be a part of this discussion because it only distorts the truth.

    ITA

    I find it hard to believe that a mother and young child disappeared and it never made the news.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nugzter View Post
    After reading your post I had an idea. Dahmer slipped his victims drugs to knock them out. He didn't like the killing but it was a means to an end.
    He was sort of a shy "nerdy" guy. Maybe the LISK is also sort of an unsuspecting "nerdy guy". This would explain ,if he was a customer before he killed, why the girls trusted him enough to let down their guard. A "rich tech nerd" who likes kinky stuff. Just a thought.......

    Slipping someone a drug has the added benefit of not having your face scratched off when you are choking someone, maybe this is why he also prefers short victims? If his arms are much longer than hers, she can't attack his face.

    Being a fairly technical person myself, which probably makes me bias in this response, I haven't seen any evidence what so ever, or any reason to believe the perp has strong technology skills. Most everyone in black market biz uses burn phones, that doesn't make them tech savy. I think most people on ws suffer from bias due to media reporting and hollywood glorification of hacking or technology. I dont watch tv shows but I do know the crime shows love this topic. I have seen no evidence of above average technical ability: he can browse the internet and use a prepaid phone. That is all we have. And given that he has been picking up street walkers in 2000, 2003, and 2006 in AC (if), I have to say he is likely much older and didnt become wise to the nets anonymity until the first G4, pretty late in my opinion. Moreover, making anon fone calls from time square and penn station lets me know he is no techy, no hacker, and likely learned his "tech skills" from poorly written television programs.

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    I agree 100% Truth.


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    Quote Originally Posted by nugzter View Post
    After reading your post I had an idea. Dahmer slipped his victims drugs to knock them out. He didn't like the killing but it was a means to an end.
    He was sort of a shy "nerdy" guy. Maybe the LISK is also sort of an unsuspecting "nerdy guy". This would explain ,if he was a customer before he killed, why the girls trusted him enough to let down their guard. A "rich tech nerd" who likes kinky stuff. Just a thought.......

    Good ideas in this post, IMO. I too think the perp has access to money. I just wonder if it was legitimately earned? Maybe he could be a trust fund baby?

    I could see the perp slipping the victims a Mickey because it would make it easier for him to abduct them. But at some point, because he is a pervy sadist, he likes the victims awake and screaming. He has to see terror in the victims. JMO.

    The attorney for the Barthelemy (Melissa Barthelemy's sister is the one who received the phone calls) family received a tip from the exwife of a person in the tech field. The exwife explained that she felt her exhusband might be the LI perp because he was mysteriously absent during the times some of the women disappeared. She related to the attorney that her ex also has an "elaborate basement". The attorney was extremely confident this tip would lead to an arrest and conviction. All of this is in the A&E special at about the 1:24/25 mark. You can find the special on YouTube.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dwntwnslim View Post
    Good ideas in this post, IMO. I too think the perp has access to money. I just wonder if it was legitimately earned? Maybe he could be a trust fund baby?

    I could see the perp slipping the victims a Mickey because it would make it easier for him to abduct them. But at some point, because he is a pervy sadist, he likes the victims awake and screaming. He has to see terror in the victims. JMO.

    The attorney for the Barthelemy (Melissa Barthelemy's sister is the one who received the phone calls) family received a tip from the exwife of a person in the tech field. The exwife explained that she felt her exhusband might be the LI perp because he was mysteriously absent during the times some of the women disappeared. She related to the attorney that her ex also has an "elaborate basement". The attorney was extremely confident this tip would lead to an arrest and conviction. All of this is in the A&E special at about the 1:24/25 mark. You can find the special on YouTube.
    a "tip" lol. There were lots of "tips" on LISK.com about ex-husbands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by truthspider View Post
    Slipping someone a drug has the added benefit of not having your face scratched off when you are choking someone, maybe this is why he also prefers short victims? If his arms are much longer than hers, she can't attack his face.

    Being a fairly technical person myself, which probably makes me bias in this response, I haven't seen any evidence what so ever, or any reason to believe the perp has strong technology skills. Most everyone in black market biz uses burn phones, that doesn't make them tech savy. I think most people on ws suffer from bias due to media reporting and hollywood glorification of hacking or technology. I dont watch tv shows but I do know the crime shows love this topic. I have seen no evidence of above average technical ability: he can browse the internet and use a prepaid phone. That is all we have. And given that he has been picking up street walkers in 2000, 2003, and 2006 in AC (if), I have to say he is likely much older and didnt become wise to the nets anonymity until the first G4, pretty late in my opinion. Moreover, making anon fone calls from time square and penn station lets me know he is no techy, no hacker, and likely learned his "tech skills" from poorly written television programs.
    Just to give you an idea, John Edward Robinson was using the anonymity of the net to safely secure victims back in 1993. Now he was a tech savvy sk, but still the trickery required for successful serial killing is low level con man stuff, hacking isn't required.


    The fact that the LISK didn't start using the net to secure victims until 2007 but was killing as far back as 1995, tells me he is likely older, new to using the internet, yet is a very intelligent adversary. (visions of teaching my parents generation how to use a computer comes to mind, I'm 34)


    [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Edward_Robinson"]John Edward Robinson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

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    tech savvy sk?

    Hi all I've been lurking for quite a while on this and some other WS topics that haunt me. I greatly enjoy reading all of your posts and appreciate the time and effort you all spend on these cases.

    I come from a professional tech background myself. Just wanted to chime in with my unsolicited 2 cents. I can see why some might assume the sk, whoever it is, to be tech-savvy. However, I don't know that we have enough info to really lead us to that conclusion. There are many ways you can cover your tracks (internet, cells, etc) and that info is not hard to get.

    I think as we sit on the sidelines and wonder why a case as horrific as this hasn't been solved, it's easy to assume the sk must be brilliant, tech savvy, extremely cunning, whatever. We (perhaps subconsciously) think he must be intelligent in one or more ways to get away with this for so long. I wonder though, is he just lucky? With it being fairly easy to be anonymous, both in the land of technology and the world of sex-trade, perhaps he is nothing more than an average tech user with some dumb luck? Since most of these cases were not investigated properly/thoroughly upon the victims going missing, he also has time on his side. Perhaps he's just a run-of-the-mill sicko with average tech skills and time and some luck on his side, choosing victims who many regard as disposable... This is a frustrating thought, but I don't believe that makes it any less of a possibility. JMO at this time.

    Anyhow, thanks for all the sleuthing you all do on behalf of victims who are total strangers. It's nice to see so many who feel that all victims deserve justice!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcgrumpy View Post
    ITA

    I find it hard to believe that a mother and young child disappeared and it never made the news.
    I think it's plausible for, say, an immigrant whose family still lives in another country, or for someone without family connections. I have seen it posted somewhere that the woman's name was Gia, which could be a foreign name or nickname.

    [This is all rumor, or my own opinion.]

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