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    Quote Originally Posted by uscgirl View Post
    I can see Craigslist escort, ut I have to agree with you on him not being able to pull off being a stripper. Only thing hot about Dale is his temper.
    You are so right about temper. Dale from what I've read seems to be a loose cannon. He kind of reminds me of OJ Simpson with his temper. IMO


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    These are the thoughts that come to my mind concerning Michelle's situation. As more thoughts come to my mind i will post and hopefully somehow everyone here can put their factual knowledge together with thoughts and put the puzzle pieces together to solve michelles disappearance.

    I believe Michelle was killed very close to 4:50 pm, but definately between 4:30 & 5:30pm; Comes to my mind are the following: water, suffocation, drugs and/or alcohol, drowning or drowning from suffocation, asphyxiation (sp?), sleep or trance state, air & gases, poisons & poisioning, possibly acids, Heat & flame, definate homicide, male alcoholic perp, sailor or military mutiny with unsavory reputation, danger of reptiles & wild beasts, detective, open or public enemy, continuous mystery surrounding death, collections.

    Waiting for more to come to mind.......

    Where is Michelle?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigCityLightsGrl View Post
    Likes cowboys? I dont get it? Because he wears a cowboy hat? Does he have pics of cowboys on his facebook, or does he post stuff like that else where? Its so easy for someone to be something we want them to be,even when their not. Dont take this the wrong way but he is shirtless is some pics, does that make him a stripper? Dancer? Im sure we could find a way, if we wanted, to put him in the grassy knoll.

    Its nice to explore every avenue and possiblity but sometime that line of thought can distract from whats really going on.
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    BigCityLightsGrl, you make a good point. But by the same token, Dale's friends could fall prey to this same tendency. They're convinced that he is this great person who would never harm someone, even in a moment of anger. That's what they want to see in him. And yet they may be deluding themselves.


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    Quote Originally Posted by nobodynoz View Post
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    BigCityLightsGrl, you make a good point. But by the same token, Dale's friends could fall prey to this same tendency. They're convinced that he is this great person who would never harm someone, even in a moment of anger. That's what they want to see in him. And yet they may be deluding themselves.
    Well I’m not sure if his friends have ever seen his “mean side”. That seems to be reserved for the women who are closest to him and strangers that tick him off. And it appears that these episodes happen when he’s drinking as evidenced in his court record.

    I think DSJr likely has a drinking problem. Even Michelle indicated on the PC episode that their problems usually revolved around his drinking. And a comment on this article…

    http://discuss.today.msnbc.msn.com/_...o-mom#comments

    From someone who appears to be in the know indicates that he may be a member of AA. But that doesn’t mean that he had successfully conquered that habit if it is in fact true. Most of the pictures I’ve seen of him online have him with a beer in his hand.

    He was likely home that day to watch that PC episode at 2pm. He may have been drinking and the episode was making him angry as we‘ve seen no indication that he was ever paid the money for half of the ring. Enter Michelle and I can just imagine an argument ensuing. A very bad one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamille View Post
    Well I’m not sure if his friends have ever seen his “mean side”. That seems to be reserved for the women who are closest to him and strangers that tick him off. And it appears that these episodes happen when he’s drinking as evidenced in his court record.

    I think DSJr likely has a drinking problem. Even Michelle indicated on the PC episode that their problems usually revolved around his drinking. And a comment on this article…

    http://discuss.today.msnbc.msn.com/_...o-mom#comments

    From someone who appears to be in the know indicates that he may be a member of AA. But that doesn’t mean that he had successfully conquered that habit if it is in fact true. Most of the pictures I’ve seen of him online have him with a beer in his hand.

    He was likely home that day to watch that PC episode at 2pm. He may have been drinking and the episode was making him angry as we‘ve seen no indication that he was ever paid the money for half of the ring. Enter Michelle and I can just imagine an argument ensuing. A very bad one.

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    Taking it from where you left off... i wonder if when MP showed up to drop the kids off, she sees ds2 drunk and says she dosent want to leave the kids with him if hes drinking...... pissing him off even more after seeing the PC episode?!?!

    Just another thought of mine...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamille View Post
    Well I’m not sure if his friends have ever seen his “mean side”. That seems to be reserved for the women who are closest to him and strangers that tick him off. And it appears that these episodes happen when he’s drinking as evidenced in his court record.

    I think DSJr likely has a drinking problem. Even Michelle indicated on the PC episode that their problems usually revolved around his drinking. And a comment on this article…

    http://discuss.today.msnbc.msn.com/_...o-mom#comments

    From someone who appears to be in the know indicates that he may be a member of AA. But that doesn’t mean that he had successfully conquered that habit if it is in fact true. Most of the pictures I’ve seen of him online have him with a beer in his hand.


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    That person also calls him her husband, which we know that wasnt the case, so how can you take it that this person saying he is a member of A.A. is just as acurate? If this person was in the "know" then they should have known that.

    Ive also seen several pics of Michelle with drinks in her hand as well, and she admitted on the PC that they drink together, so what factors deterime that someone has a drinking problem? Every fundraiser theyve ever had has been at bars or nightclubs, pretty sure they arent drinking soda all night long, so can we say its safe to say they the family has a drinking problem? DCF did an investigation on DS2, they said in their final reprot that the kids should stay with the father. If they thought he had a drinking problem would they give him the kids back? Especially with MP missing. I just dont seen much pointing to this. Im not trying to pick a side in this, but I think that this should be applied to both sides, sorry if it upsets anyone.

    I also remember seeing on NG show the day of the emergency hearing, a lady reading a letter at the beginning of the show from Michelle stating that Dale was never violent or abusive towards her, that he cheated on her and lied about it and thats where most of their problems came from. Im guessing that his attorneys have that as well since she was reading stading next to them at the courthouse.


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    Quote Originally Posted by nobodynoz View Post
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    BigCityLightsGrl, you make a good point. But by the same token, Dale's friends could fall prey to this same tendency. They're convinced that he is this great person who would never harm someone, even in a moment of anger. That's what they want to see in him. And yet they may be deluding themselves.
    Hes been in trouble for fighting in 91 and 96 I think it was, and drugs and DV in 2000. What has he done since then? Nothing really I think. Maybe he did change, maybe his friends and people in the last 10 years havent seen anything and believe him to be the person they know him as because he turned his life around?

    Michelle filed a restraing order in 2009, but was dropped for lack of evidence, could it be possible that she made things up to get the order and the judge saw right through it. I know she saidhe put his hands on her during the PC, but we all know people lie. Ive done some digging around with OPD and Ive found 2 cases where DS2 has called the police to their house because MP was drunk and causing problems. First time police were gonna arrrest her but DS2 didnt press charges, and the second time MP was going to be arrested for DV and Cyber Stalking. To me it looks like MP isnt the saint that shes made out to be, I believe she had more going on in her life then is being led on to be. Once I figure out how to post the police reports I will.


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  15. #128
    Quote Originally Posted by uscgirl View Post
    I can see Craigslist escort, ut I have to agree with you on him not being able to pull off being a stripper. Only thing hot about Dale is his temper.
    I dont see an escort, stripper maybe back in his younger days.

    I like how people are always quick to judge people on their looks. MP stayed with him for a while, she mist have saw something, she also said he was always cheating, so other girls were inerested, she did say he had 7 girls in the house.

    I try not to judge people based on looks, <mod snip>.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigCityLightsGrl View Post
    That person also calls him her husband, which we know that wasnt the case, so how can you take it that this person saying he is a member of A.A. is just as acurate? If this person was in the "know" then they should have known that.

    Ive also seen several pics of Michelle with drinks in her hand as well, and she admitted on the PC that they drink together, so what factors deterime that someone has a drinking problem? Every fundraiser theyve ever had has been at bars or nightclubs, pretty sure they arent drinking soda all night long, so can we say its safe to say they the family has a drinking problem? DCF did an investigation on DS2, they said in their final reprot that the kids should stay with the father. If they thought he had a drinking problem would they give him the kids back? Especially with MP missing. I just dont seen much pointing to this. Im not trying to pick a side in this, but I think that this should be applied to both sides, sorry if it upsets anyone.

    I also remember seeing on NG show the day of the emergency hearing, a lady reading a letter at the beginning of the show from Michelle stating that Dale was never violent or abusive towards her, that he cheated on her and lied about it and thats where most of their problems came from. Im guessing that his attorneys have that as well since she was reading stading next to them at the courthouse.
    Well you could be correct BigCityLightsGrl, I didn't state that the person was definitely "in the know" only that they seemed to be. I did notice that part about them referring to their "marriage" but couples who live together with children are often addressed that way even though they are not legally married. I have no idea if DSJr was enrolled in AA at any point in his life or if he is currently enrolled. I only have posts and comments to go by and it struck me as odd that someone would pull that out of thin air.

    I certainly have no dispute with the fact that Michelle drank as well. The difference to me is that it becomes a drinking "problem" when violent acts are the result of the drinking. I don't know of any charges or accusations against Michelle and I am anxiously awaiting those reports if you have them. But the bottom line is that even if it came from both sides, Michelle is missing and likely dead. So are you suggesting that she deserved whatever happened to her?

    I'll check for the NG episode for the letter that you referenced. I can't say as I've heard about it. Unless you can provide us with a link which would be helpful.

    And the judge made a mistake giving those children back while DSJr is under suspicion for this and refusing to co-operate with LE IMO. I hope that this case, and the Josh Powell case, help to change a few of the guidelines for these types of decisions. The children in both cases were possible witnesses. And the suspect refused to co-operate with LE. Perhaps the incentive to co-operate and clear their names should be limited or no access to their children until they are cleared.

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    Michelle filed a restraing order in 2009, but was dropped for lack of evidence, could it be possible that she made things up to get the order and the judge saw right through it. I know she saidhe put his hands on her during the PC, but we all know people lie. Ive done some digging around with OPD and Ive found 2 cases where DS2 has called the police to their house because MP was drunk and causing problems. First time police were gonna arrrest her but DS2 didnt press charges, and the second time MP was going to be arrested for DV and Cyber Stalking. To me it looks like MP isnt the saint that shes made out to be, I believe she had more going on in her life then is being led on to be. Once I figure out how to post the police reports I will.
    Are you saying that because she isn't what you deem a saint, that she is missing under different circumstances? That something else happened to her because she drank and cyberstalked Dale? I'm going to try to be respectful here, forgive me if I come off a little blunt. We already know that yes, they drank together and when that happens, things happen. I'm feeling like you're blaming the victim here. Michelle is the one who is MISSING. It doesn't really matter if she wasn't a saint. I fail to see how these police reports would be helpful in FINDING MICHELLE.

    Again, I'm sorry if I'm coming off rudely, but this just kind of rubbed me the wrong way and I'm trying to understand what you mean by this.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BigCityLightsGrl View Post
    Michelle filed a restraing order in 2009, but was dropped for lack of evidence, could it be possible that she made things up to get the order and the judge saw right through it. I know she saidhe put his hands on her during the PC, but we all know people lie. Ive done some digging around with OPD and Ive found 2 cases where DS2 has called the police to their house because MP was drunk and causing problems. First time police were gonna arrrest her but DS2 didnt press charges, and the second time MP was going to be arrested for DV and Cyber Stalking. To me it looks like MP isnt the saint that shes made out to be, I believe she had more going on in her life then is being led on to be. Once I figure out how to post the police reports I will.
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    Are you saying that because she isn't what you deem a saint, that she is missing under different circumstances? That something else happened to her because she drank and cyberstalked Dale? I'm going to try to be respectful here, forgive me if I come off a little blunt. We already know that yes, they drank together and when that happens, things happen. I'm feeling like you're blaming the victim here. Michelle is the one who is MISSING. It doesn't really matter if she wasn't a saint. I fail to see how these police reports would be helpful in FINDING MICHELLE.

    Again, I'm sorry if I'm coming off rudely, but this just kind of rubbed me the wrong way and I'm trying to understand what you mean by this.
    First off Im not blaming the vitcim, Im just pointing out others incidents that I feel important, everyone seems to be going off on DS2 about his drinking and anger. Im just pointing out that there are two sides to everything, and while the police reports wont help find michelle, its shows that she was violent at times as well. DS2 is the prime suspect does that make him the devil? Not sure, but if LE had something concrete on him where do you think he would be? Everyones pointing out the DS2 has a different side to him, well maybe what if MP does also, and its being overlooked? Maybe something happened to MP thats so tiny that its being overlooked and thats why she isnt being found? As far as we know theyve searched his house, his dads house, several lakes and channels in between the two houses and have found nothing? Seems like everyone is so focused on him, that the real reason may be slipping away. Im not LE and I dont know everything but Im looking at thinkgs with an open mind.


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    I'll check for the NG episode for the letter that you referenced. I can't say as I've heard about it. Unless you can provide us with a link which would be helpful.

    And the judge made a mistake giving those children back while DSJr is under suspicion for this and refusing to co-operate with LE IMO. I hope that this case, and the Josh Powell case, help to change a few of the guidelines for these types of decisions. The children in both cases were possible witnesses. And the suspect refused to co-operate with LE. Perhaps the incentive to co-operate and clear their names should be limited or no access to their children until they are cleared.

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    I thought Mark Nejames said DS2 was co-operating with police and did give a statement to them. Also I believe the kids were interviewed by the police and the special team they use to deal with young children. Then DCF took them that afternoon, and they had the emergency hearing the next morning, correct me if Im wrong. If the kids had seen something or witnessed something and DCF didnt mention that the next day in the emergency hearing? All I can say is WOW!

    I think Ill just keep from commenting anymore and just read and follow the story on the news. Im getting the feeling that when people speak thier mind and dont always agree, people start to turn on them.

    Have fun, and I pray daily for answers and that MP is found.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BigCityLightsGrl View Post
    First off Im not blaming the vitcim, Im just pointing out others incidents that I feel important, everyone seems to be going off on DS2 about his drinking and anger. Im just pointing out that there are two sides to everything, and while the police reports wont help find michelle, its shows that she was violent at times as well. DS2 is the prime suspect does that make him the devil? Not sure, but if LE had something concrete on him where do you think he would be? Everyones pointing out the DS2 has a different side to him, well maybe what if MP does also, and its being overlooked? Maybe something happened to MP thats so tiny that its being overlooked and thats why she isnt being found? As far as we know theyve searched his house, his dads house, several lakes and channels in between the two houses and have found nothing? Seems like everyone is so focused on him, that the real reason may be slipping away. Im not LE and I dont know everything but Im looking at thinkgs with an open mind.
    I hear what you're saying BigCityLightsGrl although it does come off a bit as blaming the victim. But if something in her lifestyle was totally hidden then I suppose you could say she did put herself in peril. We just can't seem to get past the timing of the disappearance. Where would she go at that time of the day that would find her in harm's way? There doesn't appear to have been any contact after she supposedly left the condo. She should have been going back home to her other child. I'm all for exploring the possibility that she was leading a double life but we just have nothing to go on there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigCityLightsGrl View Post
    I thought Mark Nejames said DS2 was co-operating with police and did give a statement to them. Also I believe the kids were interviewed by the police and the special team they use to deal with young children. Then DCF took them that afternoon, and they had the emergency hearing the next morning, correct me if Im wrong. If the kids had seen something or witnessed something and DCF didnt mention that the next day in the emergency hearing? All I can say is WOW!

    I think Ill just keep from commenting anymore and just read and follow the story on the news. Im getting the feeling that when people speak thier mind and dont always agree, people start to turn on them.

    Have fun, and I pray daily for answers and that MP is found.
    I hope you don't stop posting BigCityLightsGrl...you've got a lot of information that has either been missing or forgotten since the beginning of this! I am enjoying a fresh take on this case. Sometimes that happens with people who just read along. They seem to retain more of a memory of events that us regular posters forget.

    I do know that things seemed to be fine at first and that DSJr seemed to be co-operating with police even though he seemed to be snubbing Michelle's family and refusing to get involved in the search effort. Which of course made no sense to most of us. And as far as what the children may or may not know, well obviously I have no idea what they might have said but it was after the interviews with both DSJr and the children that he was named a suspect. Of course the children are very young and easily distracted so it's entirely possible that they didn't hear or see anything that day that can be of any help to the investigation. I'd really like to know if there were any stops on the way to the condo that might have some significance. I guess it would be hard to get such young children to remember something like that.

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