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    State vs Jason Lynn Young: weekend discussion 11-25 Feb 2012

    Please continue discussion for the weekend here.

    Next week begins the defense case!

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    Someone asked 'what door did Meredith exit the house?' Meredith exited through the front door, with CY & Mr. G.

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    This is OT:

    I know a lot of you watched the Brad Cooper trial. I didn't but I am watching the 1st day of testimony now. There's a woman sitting in front of the witness (but sideways to him) that is holding a round thing over her mouth. Can anyone clue me in on what that is? TIA!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pjcitizen View Post
    This is OT:

    I know a lot of you watched the Brad Cooper trial. I didn't but I am watching the 1st day of testimony now. There's a woman sitting in front of the witness (but sideways to him) that is holding a round thing over her mouth. Can anyone clue me in on what that is? TIA!
    I believe she's the court reporter, and uses a recording device rather than the shorthand/typing machine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gracielee View Post
    Someone asked 'what door did Meredith exit the house?' Meredith exited through the front door, with CY & Mr. G.
    Thanks. Did investigators rule out possible transfer of MY's blood on the doorknob, by someone in the house during or after the discovery? I'm sure they probably did, but I haven't come across that info yet. Thx.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pjcitizen View Post
    This is OT:

    I know a lot of you watched the Brad Cooper trial. I didn't but I am watching the 1st day of testimony now. There's a woman sitting in front of the witness (but sideways to him) that is holding a round thing over her mouth. Can anyone clue me in on what that is? TIA!
    I'm doing the same thing. I haven't started watching the trial yet, I'm still reading all the case info... I've heard so much about the case from everyone here that I had to go check it out! I'm hooked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heidisams View Post
    Thanks. Did investigators rule out possible transfer of MY's blood on the doorknob, by someone in the house during or after the discovery? I'm sure they probably did, but I haven't come across that info yet. Thx.
    I believe it's been accepted that swipe of blood was left by the killer, as he exited the house through the interior garage door. The door from the mudroom to the garage. IIRC, there wasn't any sort of fingerprint, is was more a smear of Michelle's blood.

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    As an afterthought to the N.C. weather, it's usually quite mild here, but the nights can be cold. Today I walked my dogs in capri pants, a tee shirt, barefoot in my birkie's. If anything, towards the end of my walk I was a bit warm, too warm. The sun down here can be warm even if the temp. is in the sixties. But tonight we have a strong northwest wind, it's chilly. Tomorrow is predicted to be in the low to mid fifties. Today my grandsons wore their shorts and tee shirts to school. I don't know what you call them, but the long shorts, that come down to the boys knees. It's common here to wear shorts during the winter months. There are enough warm days to prohibit one 'putting ones summer clothes away for the winter.' When we first moved here from Wisconsin, it took me a season to realize one didn't change out winter & summer clothes. And if you recall, jason had packed all his 'short pants' for his trip.

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    Thanks ... I can understand now that someone might have a pair of shoes last longer than a year. Real winters are brutal on shoes and I couldn't imagine anyone really keeping a pair around for more than a year ... not even for everyday wear.

    On another tangent ...
    I just realized that the reason the prosecution brought up so much of the defense argument is that they wanted to place the emphasis where they wanted it ... defense would have placed emplasis somewhere else. For example, one of the witnesses testified that Jason procrastinated when he had to prepare a report for a flight four hours later and it is in the defense's interests to associate that with Jason not preparing or doing a report for his morning meeting (we know there wasn't one because he didn't use his computer). Instead, the prosecution introduced that evidence as a point towards irresponsibility, even though other parts of the same evidence benefited Jason.

    Maybe the golfing buddy is a better example ... it's all in how the witness's evidence is first introduced. The prosecution puts one spin on it, defense another spin, but the first line of questioning is the most important. Maybe that's not right .. but I have wondered why the prosecution introduced some evidence that was favorable to Jason and some former defense witnesses.
    Last edited by otto; 02-25-2012 at 03:18 AM.

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    Bringing this over from other thread 2/24, Otto you said "Not really ... Pat said that she got a pullover out of his luggage for Jason to wear because he was in shock and was cold ... but ... is that the same one that was foundin storage? Who knows."

    I have listen to her testimony ... no where does PY state the above!!

    Listen here around the 10:00 mark http://www.wral.com/specialreports/m...8/#/vid9754898 and listen here around the 32:20 mark where BH is questioning PY http://www.wral.com/specialreports/m...3/#/vid9758533

    Then here is the link for the creme colored shirt/sweater JY had on when he checked in at the HI.

    http://www.wral.com/specialreports/m...llery/9726666/ look at pictures 1 thru 20 and compare to the shirt/sweater Taft shows around the 12:00 mark http://www.wral.com/specialreports/m.../#/vid10757980

    The bottom line here is we know he had the shirt/sweater on when he arrives at MF's house but the point of the matter is PY stated nothing was took out of JY's suitcase.

    Listen around the 27:00 mark about what MF describes JY hd on when he arrives at her house.
    http://www.wral.com/specialreports/m.../#/vid10699052
    Last edited by Lucky89; 02-25-2012 at 05:06 AM. Reason: adding information


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    I still don't understand what is funny about a defense expert collecting evidence after investigators released the scene. It's almost like the difference was:

    - 75 bag of evidence (images of 75 garbage bags)
    - 75 evidence bags (images of small paper bags, baggies or tubes)

    75 bags of evidence deserves ridicule, but 75 evidence bags doesn't. The difference between whether "missed" means a viable collection or a "left behind" collection doesn't really matter since the victim's teeth were collected by the guy that had the extra 75 evidence bags.

    I certainly never interpretted this as meaning that there were 75 new pieces of evidence. Why a lawyer would interpret it like that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gracielee View Post
    As an afterthought to the N.C. weather, it's usually quite mild here, but the nights can be cold. Today I walked my dogs in capri pants, a tee shirt, barefoot in my birkie's. If anything, towards the end of my walk I was a bit warm, too warm. The sun down here can be warm even if the temp. is in the sixties. But tonight we have a strong northwest wind, it's chilly. Tomorrow is predicted to be in the low to mid fifties. Today my grandsons wore their shorts and tee shirts to school. I don't know what you call them, but the long shorts, that come down to the boys knees. It's common here to wear shorts during the winter months. There are enough warm days to prohibit one 'putting ones summer clothes away for the winter.' When we first moved here from Wisconsin, it took me a season to realize one didn't change out winter & summer clothes. And if you recall, jason had packed all his 'short pants' for his trip.
    Stop already! I'm getting jealous. Missing my Carolina.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucky89 View Post
    Bringing this over from other thread 2/24, Otto you said "Not really ... Pat said that she got a pullover out of his luggage for Jason to wear because he was in shock and was cold ... but ... is that the same one that was foundin storage? Who knows."

    I have listen to her testimony ... no where does PY state the above!!

    Listen here around the 10:00 mark http://www.wral.com/specialreports/m...8/#/vid9754898 and listen here around the 32:20 mark where BH is questioning PY http://www.wral.com/specialreports/m...3/#/vid9758533

    Then here is the link for the creme colored shirt/sweater JY had on when he checked in at the HI.

    http://www.wral.com/specialreports/m...llery/9726666/ look at pictures 1 thru 20 and compare to the shirt/sweater Taft shows around the 12:00 mark http://www.wral.com/specialreports/m.../#/vid10757980

    The bottom line here is we know he had the shirt/sweater on when he arrives at MF's house but the point of the matter is PY stated nothing was took out of JY's suitcase.

    Listen around the 27:00 mark about what MF describes JY hd on when he arrives at her house.
    http://www.wral.com/specialreports/m.../#/vid10699052
    I read here that Pat gave Jason an extra sweater to help him keep warm on the way home. Did that not happen? Meredith testified that he was wearing a casual shirt until a dress shirt. Did Meredith testify that Jason was wearing a dress shirt over another shirt? How did she identify those shirts? Was it a bit like the gas attendant identification?

    Was the testimony that nothing was taken out of the luggage after they parked, before they left, or during the trip ... I don't know where the testimony came from, but I know that I read here that it happened.

    Suppose Pat didn't give him an extra shirt, suppose investigators showed Meredith a picture of the wrong shirt? ... (that sounds like a title for Wallace & Grommit).

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    Odd that some of you are arguing as to why JY needed to replace shoes so quickly. This is completely dependent on individual circumstances. I have shoes that are 5 years old in my closet that look great that I wear occasionally. The shoes I wear most often are a pair of Dockers that can be worn for business or casual. They're comfortable so I wear them with jeans, with slacks, etc. After about 6 months or so of wear, I typically stop wearing for business, at that point, they start to become noticeably worn. I continue to wear with jeans/casual for a few months but look to replace soon after.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmaxphil View Post
    Odd that some of you are arguing as to why JY needed to replace shoes so quickly. This is completely dependent on individual circumstances. I have shoes that are 5 years old in my closet that look great that I wear occasionally. The shoes I wear most often are a pair of Dockers that can be worn for business or casual. They're comfortable so I wear them with jeans, with slacks, etc. After about 6 months or so of wear, I typically stop wearing for business, at that point, they start to become noticeably worn. I continue to wear with jeans/casual for a few months but look to replace soon after.
    Exactly ... I don't think I would have shoes for everyday use and still be wearing them one and a half years later.

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