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    Quote Originally Posted by tellmewhy View Post
    The thought of Ron living his life, with his children in the house, and bringing home "strays" to care for his children has often bothered me. MC was young, and most likely easily controlled ... anything could have happened.... and she would have covered it up... no matter who was involved. There was, at minimum, drug use/involvement. weapons and mental illness throughout the environment, he was probably a great catch to her, those poor babies never had a chance to live... live in a loving, safe, secure environment.
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    Welcome to WS, tellmewhy. Like your above post, especially the bolded part!


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    Does anyone know:

    How Hank and Lisa are making out (I hope well.)

    Does Lindsay take the children to see Tommy?

    Does Crystal take Butterbean to see RC?

    Do TN/GGS visit RC?

    Do Timmy/Chelsea ever visit Hank/Lisa/TC,MC?

    What is Amber doing and is she taking Jordon to see RC (probably not)

    How is Nay-Nay, is she off the drugs (hope so) and can she offer any more information?

    Is Crystal truly living with Butterbean and Annette?

    Everytime I step back into this case I feel like I am stepping into outer space!!

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    Post And who really cares about this Family

    The Million $ Question for me is - What was the ONE question Brown/Werter asked TomC on his LDT?

    My guess: "Do you have knowledge of what really happened to HC"

    WSKY-FM: Jail Video Tommy Croslin and wife PT 1 Feb 2 JAILVIDFEB2TOMMYLINDSAY1.wmv - YouTube

    At the end of tape 7:05 mark , Tommy says he doesn't really like his atty JW because of the stupid stuff he says and "SB is a punk too" - "He comes over here and trys to tell me to make him a map and all kinds of stupid crap and I tell him, Are you crazy?"

    IMO, TomC knew they were trying to hang this one on him, his sister, and their cousin ... so he turned it around and did the same thing to them. It's almost like, "who really is the fool here?" . . . next think we knew, Shell Harbor's being searched, Brown says "He" solved the case, no one has been charged, and here we are today!

    The Croslins have/had been badgered by LE, PIs, and whatnot for months - I realize we are talking about the life of a missing child and this is NOT a game, but it appears there are those who have self-serving interests here (maybe the reward is a nice payoff for only a couple of months of work or maybe it is to get this case to go away as quickly as possible).

    For the record, this video tore at my heart as I see a family being broken up needlessly. The problems they experienced prior to HC disappearance (mostly the drug use) could be resolved between the two of them. I have not seen any resistance from either of these two in cooperating with LE until the LE, atty and PI started their games. I do not feel JW acted upon TomC's best interest, but of course I don't know everything!

    I think Linds was mad at TomC because he answered "YES" and she disagreed with His motive to discredit those that were trying to pin this on him. The end result: a 15 year prison sentence and she is alone to raise their children
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    Quote Originally Posted by B4igo2it View Post
    The Million $ Question for me is - What was the ONE question Brown/Werter asked TomC on his LDT?

    My guess: "Do you have knowledge of what really happened to HC"

    WSKY-FM: Jail Video Tommy Croslin and wife PT 1 Feb 2 JAILVIDFEB2TOMMYLINDSAY1.wmv - YouTube

    At the end of tape 7:05 mark , Tommy says he doesn't really like his atty JW because of the stupid stuff he says and "SB is a punk too" - "He comes over here and trys to tell me to make him a map and all kinds of stupid crap and I tell him, Are you crazy?"

    IMO, TomC knew they were trying to hang this one on him, his sister, and their cousin ... so he turned it around and did the same thing to them. It's almost like, "who really is the fool here?" . . . next think we knew, Shell Harbor's being searched, Brown says "He" solved the case, no one has been charged, and here we are today!

    The Croslins have/had been badgered by LE, PIs, and whatnot for months - I realize we are talking about the life of a missing child and this is NOT a game, but it appears there are those who have self-serving interests here (maybe the reward is a nice payoff for only a couple of months of work or maybe it is to get this case to go away as quickly as possible).

    For the record, this video tore at my heart as I see a family being broken up needlessly. The problems they experienced prior to HC disappearance (mostly the drug use) could be resolved between the two of them. I have not seen any resistance from either of these two in cooperating with LE until the LE, atty and PI started their games. I do not feel JW acted upon TomC's best interest, but of course I don't know everything!

    I think Linds was mad at TomC because he answered "YES" and she disagreed with His motive to discredit those that were trying to pin this on him. The end result: a 15 year prison sentence and she is alone to raise their children
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    What about stealing (by Tommy) and receiving stolen property (by Lindsay.)

    I don't feel sorry for either one of them. The way they acted is not how one acts in society. Lindsay knew alot more (in my opinion) then she has ever told. I always go back to her statment to Tommy about throwing out his boots along with Timmys. Why even say that. What difference did it make, unless, of course, it did make a difference.

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    I wonder if LE could make some type of arrangement with Nay-Nay and ask her to take Sodium Penthol to help shed some light on what happened the night Haleigh disappeared. She was (is?) Misty's best friend, she may know more then she has told. If she has any outstanding warrents or court fees, perhaps LE could cut her a sweet deal. Any thoughts?

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    Someone sent me this video and they made a good observation, thought I'd share it here... At the 3:33 mark in this video: Geraldo 3/21/09 Part 2 of 2 (HC) - YouTube Geraldo Rivera says that there are allegations of Ron "sending money South." What is he talking about? Kim Picazio shakes her head and says "Yes," but it is never explained what exactly that accusation is.

    Anyone have any idea? I don't recall anything of that nature. If not, I could ask KP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Levi View Post
    Someone sent me this video and they made a good observation, thought I'd share it here... At the 3:33 mark in this video: Geraldo 3/21/09 Part 2 of 2 (HC) - YouTube Geraldo Rivera says that there are allegations of Ron "sending money South." What is he talking about? Kim Picazio shakes her head and says "Yes," but it is never explained what exactly that accusation is.

    Anyone have any idea? I don't recall anything of that nature. If not, I could ask KP.
    I remember this tape Levi but, I thought it to mean that he (Ron) wasn't being a good provider. That would be interesting to find out from Kim just exactly what that did mean.
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    New thoughts for me are: He struck Haleigh on that day at some point and she passed away on Misty's watch. Possible brain bleed, concussion, some kind of head trauma. She probably seemed OK until it was time to go to sleep. The body let loose of all fluids, thus the need for MC to "bleach clean". Yeah, he probably showed up at work, but I doubt he was there the entire night. He took care of business in between work and going back and forth to his truck. That plant is right on that river affording easy disposal. The kidnapping was staged. Sometimes, you have to step away to see the clearer picture. For me, this is what I've come to feel is what happened. Neither one is talking because they're both in this together. His abuse and her aiding and abetting the facilitation of a crime. She doesn't see that her enabling him was a crime yet, she continues to hold her tongue. He wasn't worth it but, too late now......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baznme View Post
    New thoughts for me are: He struck Haleigh on that day at some point and she passed away on Misty's watch. Possible brain bleed, concussion, some kind of head trauma. She probably seemed OK until it was time to go to sleep. The body let loose of all fluids, thus the need for MC to "bleach clean". Yeah, he probably showed up at work, but I doubt he was there the entire night. He took care of business in between work and going back and forth to his truck. That plant is right on that river affording easy disposal. The kidnapping was staged. Sometimes, you have to step away to see the clearer picture. For me, this is what I've come to feel is what happened. Neither one is talking because they're both in this together. His abuse and her aiding and abetting the facilitation of a crime. She doesn't see that her enabling him was a crime yet, she continues to hold her tongue. He wasn't worth it but, too late now......

    That sort of fits with what I was thinking. When LE said they needed info on the timeline -- I don't remember the exact times in question -- that sure didn't mean HaLeigh was okay or even alive before then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by titanfan62702 View Post
    That sort of fits with what I was thinking. When LE said they needed info on the timeline -- I don't remember the exact times in question -- that sure didn't mean HaLeigh was okay or even alive before then.
    And when it comes down to it, it really makes sense. This is not some complex crime where you need to feed Christian Prevatt sodium penthanol, I mean seriously, give that to Hope or Tommy, it was not a conspiracy at a party on Monday night, Ron caused her death and Misty and Hope for sure are covering for him because they love him. She probably did die when he was at work, the calls that night were not about them fighting over their breakup, thats so unbelievable but people believe it, I have no idea why, its been made more into a soap opera about this guys personal life, like for some reason thats ok to anyone hes in a relationship with this young girl and has to make it dramatic? I think Misty was put into a room to keep Junior occupied, and Hope or Teresa or Katrina, or Annette took the body and disposed of it. Probably Hope. And thats why Misty does not know exactly who took her but she can narrow it down to 3 people.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Chablis View Post
    And when it comes down to it, it really makes sense. This is not some complex crime where you need to feed Christian Prevatt sodium penthanol, I mean seriously, give that to Hope or Tommy, it was not a conspiracy at a party on Monday night, Ron caused her death and Misty and Hope for sure are covering for him because they love him. She probably did die when he was at work, the calls that night were not about them fighting over their breakup, thats so unbelievable but people believe it, I have no idea why, its been made more into a soap opera about this guys personal life, like for some reason thats ok to anyone hes in a relationship with this young girl and has to make it dramatic? I think Misty was put into a room to keep Junior occupied, and Hope or Teresa or Katrina, or Annette took the body and disposed of it. Probably Hope. And thats why Misty does not know exactly who took her but she can narrow it down to 3 people.
    I go back and forth between drugs to sleep and overdose to physical violence. For some reason I keep going to the drugs, but maybe that is 'cause I'm hoping it would be less traumatic for HaLeigh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by titanfan62702 View Post
    I go back and forth between drugs to sleep and overdose to physical violence. For some reason I keep going to the drugs, but maybe that is 'cause I'm hoping it would be less traumatic for HaLeigh.
    I share your sentiment somewhat as I believe it is drug related but, IMO, no one "stole" this child. Ron already knew Haleigh was gone the very first morning after her disappearance that "she was the best child he ever HAD". It's common knowledge now, RC was pretty free with his hands, his children included. It just may have been the usual push or slap that changed everything for Haleigh.

    RC was used to making his own "truth" out of a pack of lies even at the expense of his family. Finding an underage babysitter was apparantly a better choice for his kids rather than their own mother and made for a makeshift wife when he needed an ally in yet another jam that LE was at his door. There's no integrity there when you can't find it within yourself to do the right thing by your own baby, including admission of your own mistakes. It's just a shame Haleigh was not put in higher regard. If I had to find the absolute cause of her circumstance, I'd go all the way back to the judge that awarded RC full custody and work my way up from there. This did not even have to happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Levi View Post
    Someone sent me this video and they made a good observation, thought I'd share it here... At the 3:33 mark in this video:

    Geraldo Rivera says that there are allegations of Ron "sending money South." What is he talking about? Kim Picazio shakes her head and says "Yes," but it is never explained what exactly that accusation is.

    Anyone have any idea? I don't recall anything of that nature. If not, I could ask KP.
    GR says, "money gone south". That could mean anything. "Gone south" can mean wasted, spent on something unnecessary, given to someone else for foolish reasons, or even sent to or given to someone in a more southern location. Knowing RC's history, I think it could be any of these things. Certainly it wasn't used for necessities, judging by the phrase and seeing KP's response.

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