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    MI - Teens tried to abort fetus with bat, Armada Township, Oct 2004

    http://www.nbc4.tv/news/3925294/detail.html
    Police Suspect Teens Tried To Abort Fetus With Bat
    Parents Accused Of Burying Remains

    UPDATED: 11:53 AM EST November 18, 2004

    Two Michigan teens may face charges after they allegedly used a baseball bat in an attempt to abort a fetus.

    Police said a 16-year-old girl became pregnant and had a miscarriage in October at her home, outside of Detroit.

    After an investigation, Michigan State Police determined that before the miscarriage, the girl and a 16-year-old boy -- the father of the unborn child -- may have attempted to abort the fetus.

    "Without getting graphic, it involved a baseball bat and at some point the child was miscarried and that brings us to where we're at now," said Macomb County Prosecutor Eric Smith.

    Smith said the male youth would hit the pregnant teen in the abdomen with a decorative-type wooden baseball bat every other day for three weeks.

    "The length at which these two 16-year-olds went to abort this unborn child is just disturbing," said Smith.

    Police were also investigating to determine if the parents of the two teens would face charges after they apparently decided to bury the fetus in the back yard of a home in Armada Township, Mich.

    The parents apparently did not know of the pregnancy until the teen miscarried, police said.

    Investigators with the Michigan State Police Post in Richmond exhumed the remains of the fetus from the back yard on Monday.

    The remains were taken to the Macomb County Medical Examiner's office where an autopsy will be conducted to determine the cause of death and how long the mother had been pregnant.

    No charges have been filed, but Smith said the two teens may face charges as serious as manslaughter.

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    How can they charge them? Abortion is legal isnt it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timex
    How can they charge them? Abortion is legal isnt it?
    I don't think this version of abortion is legal. And if the baby is late term - past the "legal date", that's also a factor. Then, dispersing human remains the way they did was illegal too.

    I vote for manslaughter all the way. I cannot believe something like this can go on when they are able to get it done legally.

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    well, I see your point, but then..it is the womans right to choose. Isnt like the male made the decision to do this alone. She decided she didnt want this child. Im not sure I see any difference in how the killing is done. What if she had taken morning after pills etc to cause a miscarraige? Not much difference..baby dies either way.

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    See the below story about the abortion clinic shooting.........wtf is going on????

    If you feel youre mature enough for sex be mature enough for birth control !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    The saints are the sinners who keep trying...

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    Abortion is a form of birth control. In the case below, the girl did not consent. In this case, the girl made the decision to allow the boy to help abort the child. Its an abortion, not murder or manslaughter. I think a good lawyer could easily argue this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timex
    Abortion is a form of birth control. In the case below, the girl did not consent. In this case, the girl made the decision to allow the boy to help abort the child. Its an abortion, not murder or manslaughter. I think a good lawyer could easily argue this point.
    The girl is younger than 18, so the decision lies with the girl and one of the parents. Since the parents did not know until she miscarried, it was technically an illegal abortion; hence, manslaughter. Though I could be wrong...

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    Timex, I agree. Abortion is legal. So actually it would be the manner of abortion that is questioned in this case and I'm not sure that can be done. As for the age of the girl, many states do not requre parental consent or knowledge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sally
    Timex, I agree. Abortion is legal. So actually it would be the manner of abortion that is questioned in this case and I'm not sure that can be done. As for the age of the girl, many states do not requre parental consent or knowledge.
    Michigan does have a parental consent law.

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    Again, it comes down to the how's of it all. Can a teen in Michigan get the morning after pill without parental concent? Its a slipery slope here, and I still feel a good lawyer will be able to beat any charges brought forth. A womans right to decide is going to outweigh other issues here.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Timex
    Again, it comes down to the how's of it all. Can a teen in Michigan get the morning after pill without parental concent? Its a slipery slope here, and I still feel a good lawyer will be able to beat any charges brought forth. A womans right to decide is going to outweigh other issues here.
    As far as I know, the state may not prohibit or regulate any woman from making the ultimate decision to terminate her pregnancy before viability, i.e. no informed consent, no parental consent, no waiting period. It's completely at the discretion of the woman. The morning-after pill falls under this category.
    Last edited by Jacobi; 11-19-2004 at 01:24 AM.

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    Timex, is this your position or is it sarcasm. It's hard to tell. Please clarify. Thanks.
    Quote Originally Posted by Timex
    Again, it comes down to the how's of it all. Can a teen in Michigan get the morning after pill without parental concent? Its a slipery slope here, and I still feel a good lawyer will be able to beat any charges brought forth. A womans right to decide is going to outweigh other issues here.

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    I am against abortion, however, the law says it is legal. We cant have a law that says it is a womans right to choose, then turn around and say when they choose, its against the law. My point was simply, be careful what we ask for, because we may not like what we get. I certainly dont feel this young couple should have aborted this child, but its the pro choice advocates that has helped get us to this point, and I truely do think a good lawyer could beat any manslaughter charge the DA brings against this couple, based on a womans right to choose.

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    Phewww! :wipes sweat from brow:

    You are exactly correct! Bravo for your consistency!

    Quote Originally Posted by Timex
    I am against abortion, however, the law says it is legal. We cant have a law that says it is a womans right to choose, then turn around and say when they choose, its against the law. My point was simply, be careful what we ask for, because we may not like what we get. I certainly dont feel this young couple should have aborted this child, but its the pro choice advocates that has helped get us to this point, and I truely do think a good lawyer could beat any manslaughter charge the DA brings against this couple, based on a womans right to choose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timex
    I am against abortion, however, the law says it is legal. We cant have a law that says it is a womans right to choose, then turn around and say when they choose, its against the law. My point was simply, be careful what we ask for, because we may not like what we get. I certainly dont feel this young couple should have aborted this child, but its the pro choice advocates that has helped get us to this point, and I truely do think a good lawyer could beat any manslaughter charge the DA brings against this couple, based on a womans right to choose.
    I am so relieved to hear that Timex. I really mistook some of your comments and I was really disgusted by them. But you are absolutely correct in saying be careful what you ask for.

    That baby had to have felt pain if they were hitting it enough that it died. We would be outraged if a person did that to a dog or cat, or any animal for that matter. But it is OK to so many people to kill a baby like that.

    I had a miscarriage at 12 weeks. I hemmoraged and was rushed to the ER. My DR happened to be a dear family friend. In the mess of blood, the baby came out. The DR cleaned the baby up for me and let me hold him. He was so tiny, in fact only a couple inches long. But you know what? He had all of his human features already. He had his nose, mouth, finger, toes, ears, eyes, arms, legs, etc. He was so little and so beautiful. So when someone tells me a baby is not a baby this early and that they don't feel pain, I simply don't believe it. When a person gets to hold their precious infant at such an early age, I believe they would change their tune as well.

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