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    State vs. Jason Lynn Young 03-01-12 (A.M. session: DT closing arguments)

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    Rule Reminder as we head to Verdict
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    closing arguments are at 10 am today

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    Re: the CB's-daughter's-blog link posted in yesterday's thread -

    This is going to come out harsher than I mean it to, but what's the daughter doing all up in it? I know nasty tweets are unpleasant, but if you're not all up in it, you're not going to get any. IMO that whole deal gives a bit of credence to the supervisor's testimony yesterday, people all up in stuff they ought not be all up in.

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    As far as the "acting in concert", the jury members don't have to all agree that he acted alone or all believe that he acted in concert in order to find him guilty, right? Seven could think alone and 5 think "in concert", right? If so, I think the judge/prosecution needs to make sure they understand that so long as each of the 12 jurors believes one or the other, that they all believe he is guilty.

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    The supervisor did say that even when she CB was caught in a lie, she refused to admit it. That should tell you something right there.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bottle Cap View Post
    Re: the CB's-daughter's-blog link posted in yesterday's thread -

    This is going to come out harsher than I mean it to, but what's the daughter doing all up in it? I know nasty tweets are unpleasant, but if you're not all up in it, you're not going to get any. IMO that whole deal gives a bit of credence to the supervisor's testimony yesterday, people all up in stuff they ought not be all up in.

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    Personally, I will not be watching the spin and lies from the defense this morning.

    The Judge said he would allow up to 3 hours each for closing arguments (allowed 2 hours last trial). Collins / Klink finished in 1 hr, 30 min and Saacks / Holt finished in 1 hour, 50 minutes.

    A surprise was announced yesterday afternoon when the Judge said he would also include the option of 2nd degree murder. He also said the jury will be told they can infer the defendant acted in concert with other(s), as long as they believe he was also there at the time of the murder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just the Fax View Post
    Personally, I will not be watching the spin and lies from the defense this morning.

    The Judge said he would allow up to 3 hours each for closing arguments (allowed 2 hours last trial). Collins / Klink finished in 1 hr, 30 min and Saacks / Holt finished in 1 hour, 50 minutes.

    A surprise was announced yesterday afternoon when the Judge said he would also include the option of 2nd degree murder. He also said the jury will be told they can infer the defendant acted in concert with other(s), as long as they believe he was also there at the time of the murder.
    Just so I understand, the Judge will instruct the jurors that they can convict him of second degree if they believe he had an accomplice? Holy smokes!

    I always felt he did or he hired someone.....this will be very interesting!
    Justice for Holly Bobo🎀

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    Cigar(s) purchased in Florida 2 years before the murder on a joint credit card was about as laughable as Pat producing that tube humidor sales gift from his old job (surelock logo) from 2001. I have no doubt he kept that tube to store condoms to keep them fresh


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    Quote Originally Posted by Just the Fax View Post
    Personally, I will not be watching the spin and lies from the defense this morning.

    The Judge said he would allow up to 3 hours each for closing arguments (allowed 2 hours last trial). Collins / Klink finished in 1 hr, 30 min and Saacks / Holt finished in 1 hour, 50 minutes.

    A surprise was announced yesterday afternoon when the Judge said he would also include the option of 2nd degree murder. He also said the jury will be told they can infer the defendant acted in concert with other(s), as long as they believe he was also there at the time of the murder.
    bbm, thanks for pointing this out JTF! (I missed this yesterday)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Just the Fax View Post
    Cigar(s) purchased in Florida 2 years before the murder on a joint credit card was about as laughable as Pat producing that tube humidor with his old job (surelock logo) from 2001. I have no doubt he kept that tube to store condoms to keep them fresh

    Ja, it is very odd how things turn up long after the murder, while other things magically end up missing long after the murder. Meanwhile, new shirts and shoes appear. The Y family has played games with everyone involved in this thing.

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    wasn't the cigar also purchased around the time (or same year range anyhoo) as CY being born?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bottle Cap View Post
    Re: the CB's-daughter's-blog link posted in yesterday's thread -

    This is going to come out harsher than I mean it to, but what's the daughter doing all up in it? I know nasty tweets are unpleasant, but if you're not all up in it, you're not going to get any. IMO that whole deal gives a bit of credence to the supervisor's testimony yesterday, people all up in stuff they ought not be all up in.
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    I believe CB did see a vehicle at the end of the driveway and like her daughter said, she doesn't have a dog in this fight and she actually believed Jason was guilty so why would she lie about something like that? Nosy neighbours, busy bodies, whatever anyone wants to call them sometimes make good witnesses for or against a defendant.

    She testified to what she saw and there is no reason whatsoever for her to lie under oath, imo.
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    Justice for Holly Bobo🎀

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    Quote Originally Posted by nursebeeme View Post
    wasn't the cigar also purchased around the time (or same year range anyhoo) as CY being born?
    CY was born March 2004.
    I did't catch the month in 2004 the cigar was purchased in Florida?

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    I think the option of the second degree may be helpful to jurors as an option. It should reduce the risk of a hung jury again IMO

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