Deliberations began Friday at 1016am and we are officially on verdict watch! Deliberations will not continue until Monday...
This thread is for weekend discussion of the case.
This bee my opinion
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Thanks for the new thread ... bringing my comment from the other thread over as I would like to hear how others interpret this list
I don't think there is absolute proof that Jason was or was not involved. What I see is a prosecution theory where all sorts of circumstantial points have been strung together to reinforce the theory that Jason is guilty.
What has the proseuction presented:
- an unplugged camera that cannot be connected to Jason
- a questionable gas attendant witness that added new information to her testimony after she admittedly didn't remember anything about the customer in her store
- prints in places that should match Jason, but don't
- a theory about medicine with nothing to connect the medicine to Jason or the child (no evidence she was drugged)
- two pair of shoes but no explanation why Jason would wear size 10 shoes to commit a strangulation murder
- a motive of millions of dollars but at the same time Jason knew that as a suspect he could not claim the millions
- allegations of a prior murder attempt and an accident investigator that attended the scene stating that everyone was wearing a seatbelt, that it was an accident in a place where accidents had happened before
- dishonesty about the adultery
- sexual dysfunction in the marriage
- two people that participate in loud verbal disagreements in public
- an unhappy marriage
- a missing shirt, missing worn out hush puppy shoes, missing size 10 shoes
- a husband that was advised not to speak to police because he was immediately considered a suspect
- some investigation into possible suspects at a nearby trailer park that did not produce any leads
- vehicles seen at the property from 3:30 or 4 AM until about 6 AM.
- porch and driveway lights on (could have been left on the from the night before)
- missing items but no insurance claim for those missing items
- a poor planner that fails to calculate the amount of gas required to make the 510 mile trip but plans other details such as two pair of shoes for a strangulation murder
- an unfaithful husband that was in contact with his mistress before and after the murder, making no attempt to hide his frequent contact with his mistress
- no video surveillance on the 10 cameras at the hotel showing all of Jason's movements (morning activity)
- an unplugged camera
- no murder weapon
- a child that acts out the murder with play figures and identifies the mother figure, but not the figure that is "spanking" the mother figure for "biting" (she was familiar enough with both parents to identify both of them if the father was involved)
Did I miss anything? I don't see the above as proof of murder. It appears to be the case that investigators assumed that Jason was guilty and that they looked for circumstances that would support their theory.
From the other thread ...
After a quick glance at your post, otto, I immediately saw 2 things I disagree with
Missing worn out hush puppy shoes ???
Who said he intended to be a suspect if his original plan worked out? That $4MM life insurance was sitting out there as a straight flush and he was willing to gamble.
I see many of your others add your subjective slant on the evidence...personally I see it in a totally different light.
I think we all bring different life experiences to the table. Some of us just think that there's a decent chance he didn't do this ....
Bringing this over from the last thread
What does driving halfway to the meeting place have to do with the murder? The rest of the route was a winding road that he was unfamiliar with ... good idea to drive it during daylight.
Jason went outside to smoke a cigar on a cold, windy night ... why wouldn't he put on an extra shirt?
Nothing connects Jason to the camera except the fact that he was at the hotel and his wife was murdered that night. He did not try to avoid being seen by the cameras at midnight when he was stepping out to smoke and no cameras captured him arriving in the morning. If his door was not latched through the night, why wasn't it noticed either time that the night audit clerk interacted with the room door?
Jason didn't use his phone at the time when he said he was sleeping. Silent phones in the middle of the night don't mean anything.
Invesitgators also got lost using Jason's mapquest map, supporting Jason's claim that he got lost.
I think that Jason and Michelle had both given up on their marriage. Jason sought other women, Michelle sought counselling to help get her life back on track.
If Michelle thought that one million in insurance was excessive, she wouldn't have taken a policy through her profesional organization for that amount. We don't know what she did not agree with upping the amount ... we only have the testimony from a friend who admittedly never liked Jason.
I missed the information about breakfast ... are you saying that there was no breakfast at the hotel that morning ... only take out bags?
-Cassidy was picked up and carried to bathroom, cleaned up, and diaper removed (no stranger would do that)
-The shirt he was wearing when he left the hotel at midnight (that there is video proof of) was not on his person the next day, in his car, or in his luggage....so where is it? And the HP shoes?
-Sister in law was called by JY(for the first time EVER) to go INTO their home ASAP to get a print out on the printer. (he needed her to rescue CY and discover the body).
-Cameras tampered with at 11:20pm, shortly after JY arrived and shortly before he left the hotel. Retampered with at 6:37am when lines up perfectly with the timeline of JY's return to the hotel. Mind you the cameras haven't been tampered with in YEARS!
-Doors that JY would use at hotel were propped open so key card wasn't needed.
-Spontaneous trip to Brevard that was out of the way. (He didn't want to go straight home until someone had found the body.)
-"Robber" walked right by MY's pocketbook TWICE and didn't steal from it!
-OVERKILL stongly indicates someone who knew the victim and did not like them.
-No forced entry, dog not harmed and left in house, CY not harmed....again, very likely not a stranger who did this.
In my opinion, JY is either the unluckiest guy in the world for all of the coincidences or he had something to do with the murder of MY. (Just my respectful opinion). I do appreciate the dialog from either side of the fence, so I'm always open to hear both arguments. IMO, it's a good thing none of us at WS are on this jury b/c it seems most of us have our heels dug in and can't be budged! There's no way I would switch to NG with the evidence at hand, but I may be willing to compromise with the NG side to 2nd degree even though I feel it's first degree. For the record, I am stubborn. I hope the jurors aren't (unless of course they are on the G side ) JMO
ETA: And the camera wasn't just unplugged. And the cameras hadn't been messed with for how many years yet they just happened to be on that particular night when Jason was at that particular hotel and his wife was beaten to death.
How could he possibly believe that he would not be a suspect after increasing the insurance a couple of months after it was purchased; a couple of months before the murder. It has "motive" written all over it, as does the frequent, regular contact he had with his mistress and his adultery in the month prior to the murder.
"Looked for circumstances" to support their theory?
Ahh, yea they sure did. Those circumstance were not made up, they happen to be fact. Should all that damning evidence be ignored because LE focused on him? Not sure what your point is?
The only time I saw them on his feet was at the cracker barrel and leaving the hotel on 11-3-06. Do you have other sightings?
Increasing insurance to $4,000,000 2 months before his wife is murdered shows clear motive. He was clever enough to increase his limits at the same time....
Doesn't LE usually focus on those closest to the victim initially (while following other leads obviously) and then clear them to move their investigation outward?
Note: Rhetorical question.
The problem is JY could not be cleared so he remained the focus until such time as he was arrested.
"Emotional abuse isn't calling someone a name; it isn't simply raising your voice at someone you're meant to love...it's a concerted effort, a campaign, designed with the sole purpose of destruction. Your destruction. Emotional abuse crushes your spirit. It steals a piece of your soul. It changes everything about you and how you interact with others. You are never the same having survived it. In its wake, you question everything you ever thought you knew. You wonder what's wrong with you. You believe you aren't worth loving. You doubt yourself - constantly. And you learn to live with scars no one sees."
Clothes he was wearing when he arrived in Raleigh were never requested so we don't know for certain what shirts he was wearing.
If Jason needed Meredith to rescue his daughter, he would have called first thing in the morning ... not noon.
Suppose the camera was not tampered with in the morning. Suppose Jason was seen entering the hotel at 6:37 ... wouldn't it be easier to say that he had to get something from the car - like his tie - than to tilt the camera again?
If the room door was propped open at 4 in the morning, the night audit clerk should have noticed it when he slid the receipt under the door or placed the newspaper on the doorhandle.
He admitted propping the exterior door open with a twig ... and it's been verified as successful way to prop the door. It's like the search for head trauma on the computer ... it's been verified as being connected to an actual accident (something the prosecution would have known because they had Michelle's email - yet prosecutors put a sinister spin on it to twist the facts)
He had plans to pick up furniture from his parent's home, a known fact right after the murder.
"Robber" may have gone up the bonus room steps, thinking people were still up and on the main floor (lights on throughout the house), completely missing the purse in the kitchen.
Violent attack may have been result of Michelle fighting back during strangulation. Bedroom door handle set was damaged at some point and had to be replaced through insurance.
Garage exterior people-door was routinely left unlocked ... no need for key to enter home. Daughter of Christa Worthington also left unharmed after stranger- murder.
I switched from guilty to not-guilty after the first trial ... I'm still open minded, but the more I look at it, the harder it is for me to believe that the prosecution is objective.
I have always heard that circumstantial evidence is as good as its weakest link.
If there are any weak links in this case I think it is the unknown size 10 shoes seen in blood at the crime scene and the State did not explain them away and the unknown palm prints/fingerprints found in the bedroom. And also the mpg that JY would have had to have gotten to carryout the murder.
The jury is not to speculate that he got gas somewhere else. They must decide this case based on the evidence entered only.
I hope the jury can work around these glaring inconsistencies and come to a just verdict.
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Is he clever enough to plan two pair of shoes but too stupid to calculate the gas he would need and too stupid to realize that his mistresses and the insurance plan would look like motive?
Nothing Jason has done supports the argument that he wanted money as a result of his wife's murder.