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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfpack View Post
    Was that in testimony? Or just in closing? I must have missed that. I doubt those three things were the "only" activity on the computer that night. Computers log EVERYTHING. Plugging in a battery pack, closing a window, etc.
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    Regarding the size 10 shoes. If you look at the photo of JY's foot (don't have a link to it), you can clearly see 4 red blister like marks on his foot - 3 on the side of his foot (one on his little toe) and one on top near his big toe.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Just the Fax View Post
    Testimony from Agent Smith
    Alright, in that case, I concede the point. I still think that the internet times cannot be all the computer activity, just from my personal experience. It could just be all "relevant" computer activity. But if Agent testified he didn't access the file, then he must have reason to back it up.


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    Quote Originally Posted by LOMom View Post
    Regarding the size 10 shoes. If you look at the photo of JY's foot (don't have a link to it), you can clearly see 4 red blister like marks on his foot - 3 on the side of his foot and one on top near his big toe.
    I think, if you could "clearly" see it, then it would have been subject at trial. I don't remember anyone calling attention to "blisters" on his feet. I don't see blisters, I see a normal foot. An ugly foot yes, but normal nonetheless.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfpack View Post
    I think, if you could "clearly" see it, then it would have been subject at trial. I don't remember anyone calling attention to "blisters" on his feet. I don't see blisters, I see a normal foot. An ugly foot yes, but normal nonetheless.
    Looking at the 4th photo in the set here: http://www.wral.com/specialreports/m...llery/9726547/, you should be able to see them - one on the little toe, 2 more on that side of the foot, and one on the top of his foot, almost in line with his big toe.


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    Quote Originally Posted by LOMom View Post
    Looking at the 4th photo in the set here: http://www.wral.com/specialreports/m...llery/9726547/, you should be able to see them - one on the little toe, 2 more on that side of the foot, and one on the top of his foot, almost in line with his big toe.
    I've seen them. I see a normal, ugly foot, with sock marks. Did someone testify that his too small shoes caused blisters?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfpack View Post
    I think, if you could "clearly" see it, then it would have been subject at trial. I don't remember anyone calling attention to "blisters" on his feet. I don't see blisters, I see a normal foot. An ugly foot yes, but normal nonetheless.
    It seems like if he just slid his feet into the smaller 10 size shoes that when he tried to walk in them that the prints would show drag patterns of some kind. And if he actually put his feet inside he would have blisters on his heels also. If he only put the shoe on part ways then wouldnt his heel print have been seen on the back of the shoeprint. It had to be hanging off if he did that, imo.

    If he just slid his feet inside and not all the way in the shoes then that seems awfully cumbersome while trying to commit a murder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Talina View Post
    Well, heck. It's been 6 years. I'm sure she got it confused with a different wreck, a different Memorial Day, a different year.
    LOL! Maybe she was thinking of a different imp!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfpack View Post
    I've seen them. I see a normal, ugly foot, with sock marks. Did someone testify that his too small shoes caused blisters?
    I don't recall that they did, but you can clearly see the red marks on the foot.

    I don't think the PT ever theorized that JY acted alone or "in concert" (they didn't get "locked" into one), so they didn't lead the jury towards either one in the case - they left it open to each jury member to decide on his/her own, which was a smart strategy.


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    Quote Originally Posted by gngr~snap View Post
    how did JY know that her killer didn't touch the drops? ... wait!

    Excellent question! Guess he somehow knows that random goth killers don't get headaches.


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    Quote Originally Posted by oceanblueeyes View Post
    I am feeling more confident that we may see a verdict by the end of the day tomorrow or Tuesday.

    Or at least we may know by then if the jury is having problems agreeing.

    I dont think the jury is going to be dismissive of the 10 size shoes though. And there was no evidence entered that JY had help.

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    Agreed, I don't think the jury will dismiss them, I just think their opinion on hush puppy prints will be more important when they decide whether or not JY was at the crime scene. It doesn't matter if he had help or not, imo, since they can convict as long as they think he was there.


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    Quote Originally Posted by LOMom View Post
    The reason that the perpetrator in that 48 hours episode wore a size other than his own was to throw off the police, obviously. Being a family member of the victims, he knew that he would be looked at closely. He had to use a size different from his own if he hoped to be eliminated as a suspect. This was also JY's reasoning - he's the victim's husband and knew he would be looked at. He's thinking he shuld wear a size 10 when his size is 12 and hope that nobody believes you left the print. The leaving of the size 12 HP print was not planned, obviously.

    Keep in mind that a random stranger killer would NOT bother to try to throw off police with a wrong size shoe and then, why would a stranger random killer bother to change out of his bloody shoes before leaving a crime scene??? Nobody would know who he was!! The only people that would try to throw off police by wearing the wrong size shoe is somebody that the police would look at from the get go - somebody that knew the victim. This is common sense.

    And to add just another piece - how would a random stranger KNOW what size shoes would be worn by the resident/owner/husband/significant other.

    I can just see the murderer going through the closet checking out shoe sizes and making the adjustment. If it wasn't so serious it would be funny.


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    Quote Originally Posted by LOMom View Post
    Looking at the 4th photo in the set here: http://www.wral.com/specialreports/m...llery/9726547/, you should be able to see them - one on the little toe, 2 more on that side of the foot, and one on the top of his foot, almost in line with his big toe.
    Those look like pressure points to me due to how his foot and bone structure is.

    And I noticed that the black toenail seems to have been done for some time. It looks like the nail has grown out since that injury.

    IMO
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tipstaff View Post
    And to add just another piece - how would a random stranger KNOW what size shoes would be worn by the resident/owner/husband/significant other.

    I can just see the murderer going through the closet checking out shoe sizes and making the adjustment. If it wasn't so serious it would be funny.
    By taking the shoes out of the owner's closet because he couldn't exactly leave in blood soaked shoes of his own?


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    Quote Originally Posted by ~n/t~ View Post
    I didn't watch the 48 hours episode. Can you post how he did it? Also, I noticed (from the posts here) that the killer in the 48 hours episode was a size 10 and the prints he made were with a size 12? Is that correct?

    I think it would be easy for someone to go from a smaller size to a bigger one but to go from a size 12 to a 10? How would the shoes fit?
    imo....Easy. Push the back of the heel down flat and wear the shoes like mules/slip ons.


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