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    A blog based on someone's opinion and conspiracy theories is not evidence. I would question the accuracy of info provided outside of actual testimony, court documents, and exhibits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeleine74 View Post
    Thanks Citygirl! I knew about the undershirt/tshirt and that it was determined to be fine and thus CY kept it on. But I'm reading in various places that people are claiming the PJ's themselves were washed right after the murder and then put on CY again. And it's being put out there as if it's a fact. I don't have any basis for believing that myself, but if it did happen, then CY's bloody pj's went into the garbage bags along with the weapon, shoes, JY's clothes, diaper, etc, and newer pj's were put on her. The washing machine was not going, and CY was not removed from the home and brought back later.

    Those PJs weren't washed, they were collected and bagged and tested by the SBI and had blood on them in several places.

    And we know CY's diaper was removed from her and discarded along with everything else. What a nice goth killer. Not only cleans up a toddler but also takes out all the garbage from the house and the liner inside the garbage in the garage too. So thoughtful!

    It's not good when facts have to be made up or twisted in order to present a better argument for the defendant. And yet, there appear to be some head-scratching whoppers out there.
    I read that ridiculousness too. And their reasoning also seems to be that Jy wouldnt have had time to wash the PJ;s so it must have been someone else! Perhaps a neat-freak burglar? A psychotic Martha Stewart wannabe? Please, give me a break.

    As far as why they think the PJ's were washed, I think I saw one comment that said they must have been since blood wasnt on them. I dont know the details, but just because she walked in blood doesnt mean she laid down and rolled around in it, to the point of getting blood all over. It's hard to really get answers from some of those folks, since the website I've seen most of the posts at is moderated heavily, and if you respond to a previous comment by the time the moderator posts it the person you were responding to doesnt see it or has moved on to talk about something else. Also, I tried to post some questions there and was given a message that since it's the weekend, there would be no moderator and therefore no posting....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just the Fax View Post
    Are you suggesting LE intentionally removed items, personally committing a felony
    Yes, she is. I have seen that claim on news sites. Their explanation is that "police have made mistakes or lied before, so we should assume they did so here". I guess we should just release every single convict in every single prison, who's to know if the police didnt lie about something there too? But for some reason they only advocate for JY....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Solange82200 View Post
    A psychotic Martha Stewart wannabe? Please, give me a break.
    Floating Goth killers who do your laundry!

    Quote Originally Posted by Solange82200 View Post
    As far as why they think the PJ's were washed, I think I saw one comment that said they must have been since blood wasnt on them.
    Except of course blood was on them and that is in testimony. Blood on both legs, and on the butt area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteelerGirl43 View Post
    Could you please provide the link of where his suitcase was inventoried?


    (1) Inventory. An officer present during the execution of the warrant must prepare and verify an inventory of any property seized. The officer must do so in the presence of the applicant for the warrant and the person from whom, or from whose premises, the property was taken. If either one is not present, the officer must prepare and verify the inventory in the presence of at least one other credible person. In a case involving the seizure of electronic storage media or the seizure or copying of electronically stored information, the inventory may be limited to describing the physical storage media that were seized or copied. The officer may retain a copy of the electronically stored information that was seized or copied.

    (2) Receipt. The officer taking property under the warrant must:

    (A) give a copy of the warrant and a receipt for the property taken to the person from whom or from whose premises the property was taken; or

    (B) leave a copy of the warrant and receipt at the place from which the officer took the property.

    (3) Return. The officer executing the warrant must promptly return it--together with a copy of the inventory--to the magistrate designated on the warrant. The magistrate on request must give a copy of the inventory to the person from whom, or from whose premises, the property was taken and to the applicant for the warrant.
    You admitted that nothing is missing from the suitcase, since JY would have said so. Yet you continually point out the missing inventory list. How is this in any way relevant to JY being guilty or innocent? Since common sense tells all of us (you admitted this) that nothing is missing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteelerGirl43 View Post
    Ask LE...
    There you go again. You stated already that if something was missing, the person who's life is on the line (JY) would obviously have spoken up by now. Yet you turn around and insinuate that LE hid the shoes and shirt. How do you rationalize that? Do you or do you not think it's reasonable to believe for no apparent reason that LE hid evidence, and that the person that has the most to lose has not even uttered a peep about said "missing evidence"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteelerGirl43 View Post
    Please dont put words in my mouth... I never said they did....
    OK, fair enough. Then we agree that what was in the suitcase when police became involved is what was shown in court? If so, what do you think happened to the clothing he was wearing in the video?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeleine74 View Post
    Thanks Citygirl! I knew about the undershirt/tshirt and that it was determined to be fine and thus CY kept it on. But I'm reading in various places that people are claiming the PJ's themselves were washed right after the murder and then put on CY again. And it's being put out there as if it's a fact. I don't have any basis for believing that myself, but if it did happen, then CY's bloody pj's went into the garbage bags along with the weapon, shoes, JY's clothes, diaper, etc, and newer pj's were put on her. The washing machine was not going, and CY was not removed from the home and brought back later.

    Those PJs weren't washed, they were collected and bagged and tested by the SBI and had blood on them in several places.

    And we know CY's diaper was removed from her and discarded along with everything else. What a nice goth killer. Not only cleans up a toddler but also takes out all the garbage from the house and the liner inside the garbage in the garage too. So thoughtful!

    It's not good when facts have to be made up or twisted in order to present a better argument for the defendant. And yet, there appear to be some head-scratching whoppers out there.
    I think it's coming from the defense closing argument. One of the defense lawyers, IIRC, said CY's pajamas were washed. That was when some of us suggested he was pointing the finger towards Meredith once again. Of course we all know closing arguments aren't *evidence*.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gracielee View Post
    I think it's coming from the defense closing argument. One of the defense lawyers, IIRC, said CY's pajamas were washed. That was when some of us suggested he was pointing the finger towards Meredith once again. Of course we all know closing arguments aren't *evidence*.
    Ahhh. I wondered if that's where it was first said. A defense team can argue almost anything during their closing, even if there is no evidence of it, and people will eat that up. Gotcha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gracielee View Post
    I think it's coming from the defense closing argument. One of the defense lawyers, IIRC, said CY's pajamas were washed. That was when some of us suggested he was pointing the finger towards Meredith once again. Of course we all know closing arguments aren't *evidence*.
    And didn't they say during closing that the "real" killer stole the HP's from the closet..
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    The defense team never suggested that anyone in LE removed and discarded items from JY's luggage. The defense team never suggested that the HP shoes were taken by LE. A photo from CY's 3rd bday party is one in which the defense tried (in trial #1) to pass off as if that was the magic missing pullover JY was seen wearing at midnight. It wasn't the same. They didn't try to say it was the same this time because they were trumped by 2 pictures shown side by side. busted.

    The defense team ignored the pullover, tried to confuse the jury with the pants, and tried to give two different stories about the HP shoes.

    And yet others have taken up the cause saying LE (must have) had those items from JY's luggage and got rid of them. That's one wild accusation, not even the defense team claimed.

    One telling sign of a weak argument in discussing a case is when conspiracy has to be used to explain away inculpatory facts.

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    It is getting a little warm in here.

    I will be closing this thread shortly. There are many existing topical threads, and a new "Post-verdict discussion thread" where conversations can continue.

    Before I lock up here, I am going to make some suggestions. It is up to each poster to determine what weight to give them.

    1. Remove the word "you" from any posts before hitting Reply.

    2. Never call another poster out by name.

    3. Provide links to statements of fact whenever possible.

    4. Know that mods have special goggles that detect even the most subtle snark and baiting.

    No matter how personally invested one is in this case, it is truly personal only to the Young and Fisher families. We can kick up a lot of dust here, but the truth is, CY will still grow up without her mommy, MY's parents will have to be present to her absence every day of their lives, and JY's family is dealing with a different kind of loss entirely.

    There are no winners here. Please think about that before getting caught up in bickering or snark.
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    Quote Originally Posted by octobermoon View Post
    And didn't they say during closing that the "real" killer stole the HP's from the closet..




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    Quote Originally Posted by ynotdivein View Post
    It is getting a little warm in here.

    I will be closing this thread shortly. There are many existing topical threads, and a new "Post-verdict discussion thread" where conversations can continue.

    Before I lock up here, I am going to make some suggestions. It is up to each poster to determine what weight to give them.

    1. Remove the word "you" from any posts before hitting Reply.

    2. Never call another poster out by name.

    3. Provide links to statements of fact whenever possible.

    4. Know that mods have special goggles that detect even the most subtle snark and baiting.

    No matter how personally invested one is in this case, it is truly personal only to the Young and Fisher families. We can kick up a lot of dust here, but the truth is, CY will still grow up without her mommy, MY's parents will have to be present to her absence every day of their lives, and JY's family is dealing with a different kind of loss entirely.

    There are no winners here. Please think about that before getting caught up in bickering or snark.



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