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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleph View Post
    A few other things I forgot to add:

    • I think he may have convinced his final two victims to leave their cell phones at home by telling them that they were going to a party attended by well-known people. This is one of the only plausible ways that someone might be persuaded not to bring her phone. (Can anyone think of any others?) The killer almost certainly exaggerates his VIP connections, but I think he has some and had proven it to his victims during previous encounters, perhaps by showing them photos.

    • Jessica Taylor worked the streets in a bad neighborhood. She was not online as far as we know. So the LISK (assuming he is also the Manorville killer, which I think he is) was comfortable enough with that area to pick up JT and probably other prostitutes without seeming either memorable or suspicious.
    These are two reasons why I think he has been both wealthy and down-at-the-heels, and can plausibly move between two very different worlds.
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    Hi Aleph,
    Wow, you are so good at putting into words my very own thoughts! haha maybe he convinces them to leave their phones and dress casually because he's going to take them shopping...
    I think back to AC's roommate (DS) who says he told Amber to take his phone, but she said "that's not what he wants", ...plus if you're a dude asking for a weekend date - you might say - I'll buy you whatever you need ..just come on girl...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleph View Post
    A few other things I forgot to add:

    I think he may have convinced his final two victims to leave their cell phones at home by telling them that they were going to a party attended by well-known people. This is one of the only plausible ways that someone might be persuaded not to bring her phone. (Can anyone think of any others?) The killer almost certainly exaggerates his VIP connections, but I think he has some and had proven it to his victims during previous encounters, perhaps by showing them photos.

    Jessica Taylor worked the streets in a bad neighborhood. She was not online as far as we know. So the LISK (assuming he is also the Manorville killer, which I think he is) was comfortable enough with that area to pick up JT and probably other prostitutes without seeming either memorable or suspicious.

    These are two reasons why I think he has been both wealthy and down-at-the-heels, and can plausibly move between two very different worlds.
    bbm
    Hi Aleph,
    Wow, you are so good at putting into words my very own thoughts! haha maybe he convinces them to leave their phones and dress casually because he's going to take them shopping...
    I think back to AC's roommate (DS) who says he told Amber to take his phone, but she said "that's not what he wants", ...plus if you're a dude asking for a weekend date - you might say - I'll buy you whatever you need ..just come on girl...
    Yeah, because he was a repeat customer. He built up a rapport with these women and then he killed them when they were at their most vulnerable. Which explains why a lot of the bodies were naked. He waited until they undressed and then made his move, well not THAT move, but the other move as in murdering them. It's like other people have speculated, he doesn't kill every girl he comes across. This guy has to be caught, because prostitution isn't disappearing anytime soon. The police in NYC need to get some brunette undercover female officers down by the Port Authority ASAP in the hopes this guy rolls up on one of them with a proposition. Who knows, maybe they get lucky. I have no idea if they've used that tactic already, but they should. And to everyone that keeps calling the guy "brilliant", gimme a break. You can call him lots of things. Clever, elusive, careful, organized. Brilliant he isn't. Does anyone look back at Joel Rifkin today and think to themselves, "God, that guy is unbelievably intelligent. How did he ever manage to get caught?" Doubtful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleph View Post
    Thanks!

    I think he probably is a smoker, but of the "Wow, I didn't know you smoked!" variety, as opposed to a chain smoker. Despite his brash personality, I don't think he would smoke when in fancier situations where it might be looked down upon. He tries to be a chameleon as he moves between these two different worlds.
    IMO, he has a lot of quirks and habits that he hides in his "regular" day to day life. He gets satisfaction out of walking between the two worlds. It is a challenge that he enjoys. He delights in pulling the wool over other people's eyes. It is all about being sneaky and a feeling of being in control and powerful. When in reality, he is seen by others as weak and possibly even as a slimy weasel of a man.

    He is the kind of guy who secretly does disgusting things around his house...and to other people's personal belongings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Just K View Post
    Several of the family members noted that their sisters told them that their clients were "important" people, docs, lawyers, judges, LE, etc.
    There is definitely something there re: the VIP angle.
    I think that's a standard line that prostitutes tell their family members.

    Most people like that would frequent high class escort services, not prostitutes off of Craigslist.

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    The VIP angle was one I have not been able to get past for a while myself. Someone too rich, with stuff to lose? A politic or a cop? Even if it was just a lie....

    As someone else pointed out. If it comes to alot of $ and drugs...
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    Quote Originally Posted by KPCrimeNY View Post
    The VIP angle was one I have not been able to get past for a while myself. Someone too rich, with stuff to lose? A politic or a cop? Even if it was just a lie....

    As someone else pointed out. If it comes to alot of $ and drugs...

    Speaking of politics, while I was thinking about the VIP angle I remembered something a friend told me.

    This friend had the opportunity to attend a fundraiser where a former US Vice President was the keynote speaker. She was advised ahead of time Not to bring her cell phone due to security concerns.

    Maybe the perp used a line like that?

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    Hey Man, I for one am all for respecting the victims. BUT IMHO it counterproductive to sit here and pretend(now I am quoting myself)....that "MP, JB, and SG were up late at JB's house working on a noble peace prize project" If we did not respect the victims we would not all be here trying to figure it out and help. Instead of having the attitude "they were just hookers" like alot of people do, we are spending our time and brainpower trying to help solve this case. They were all hookers, and they were all people who made some bad decisions. But the decisions they made did not deserve to have a death sentence attached to them. In the same breath, it is not good for us to sit here and try and make people out to be saints.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LINative13 View Post
    Hey Man, I for one am all for respecting the victims. BUT IMHO it counterproductive to sit here and pretend(now I am quoting myself)....that "MP, JB, and SG were up late at JB's house working on a noble peace prize project" If we did not respect the victims we would not all be here trying to figure it out and help. Instead of having the attitude "they were just hookers" like alot of people do, we are spending our time and brainpower trying to help solve this case. They were all hookers, and they were all people who made some bad decisions. But the decisions they made did not deserve to have a death sentence attached to them. In the same breath, it is not good for us to sit here and try and make people out to be saints.

    JMO
    I agree, dude. I really couldn't care less what their profession was. Sure it probably wasn't the best "life choice", but what they did for work didn't effect me in a negative fashion. So who am I to judge? I think once you look into some of these girls stories, like Jessica Taylor for example, you begin to feel sympathy more than anything else. After reading about her home life I definitely can understand why she chose to do what she did. It's just a really unfortunate situation all the way around. This guy needs to be caught to remind others like him that no life is too insignificant to take. There are plenty of ghosts on Long Island right now that deserve to not be forgotten, and to have justice done in their name. Hopefully sooner rather than later.

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    Whatever these women did for a living is irrelevant to me. Everyone has opinions and everyone has their own moral standards. One doesn't have to like or agree with the choices these women made in life in order to be outraged by their brutal murders. These were human beings first and foremost. Mothers...sisters...daughters...friends. They had a God given right to live out the rest of their lives and become whatever they would have become. The sick SOB who robbed these women of that God given right needs to answer for that. Plain and simple.

    All MOO, of course.
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    Not one of us is a saint. We live in an extremely misogynistic culture and often that hatred of women is present in us without our necessarily being aware of it.

    It's easy to forget how relatively easy it is for an uneducated, unskilled man to find good-paying work compared to a woman in a similar situation. The vast majority of prostitutes -- heck, a plurality of women are victims of abuse. Our own Shannan Gilbert walked around with a titanium plate in her jaw, courtesy of someone who claimed to love her. None of these victims had it easy even before they were brutally murdered. They were all innocent. All of them. I don't care who they had sex with, or how they got by in life. They were innocent people. Their souls are holy.

    To quote someone much older than me, I hold these truths to be self-evident. I can't argue them with anyone. But I'm going to keep saying it, because in this sick culture of ours, it bears repeating.

    My apologies to the rest of the choir for this preaching.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleph View Post
    Not one of us is a saint. We live in an extremely misogynistic culture and often that hatred of women is present in us without our necessarily being aware of it.

    It's easy to forget how relatively easy it is for an uneducated, unskilled man to find good-paying work compared to a woman in a similar situation. The vast majority of prostitutes -- heck, a plurality of women are victims of abuse. Our own Shannan Gilbert walked around with a titanium plate in her jaw, courtesy of someone who claimed to love her. None of these victims had it easy even before they were brutally murdered. They were all innocent. All of them. I don't care who they had sex with, or how they got by in life. They were innocent people. Their souls are holy.

    To quote someone much older than me, I hold these truths to be self-evident. I can't argue them with anyone. But I'm going to keep saying it, because in this sick culture of ours, it bears repeating.

    My apologies to the rest of the choir for this preaching.
    I like that you said "our own Shannan..."

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    What a kind and thoughtful post Aleph. It is unfortunate that society looks down upon certain people and these women didn't get much attention from LE when they first went missing. It is the doctors, lawyers, and CEO type men that make appointment with escorts. What if one of them went missing???

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    Quote Originally Posted by CMan0928 View Post
    I agree, dude. I really couldn't care less what their profession was. Sure it probably wasn't the best "life choice", but what they did for work didn't effect me in a negative fashion. So who am I to judge? I think once you look into some of these girls stories, like Jessica Taylor for example, you begin to feel sympathy more than anything else. After reading about her home life I definitely can understand why she chose to do what she did. It's just a really unfortunate situation all the way around. This guy needs to be caught to remind others like him that no life is too insignificant to take. There are plenty of ghosts on Long Island right now that deserve to not be forgotten, and to have justice done in their name. Hopefully sooner rather than later.
    BBM

    Do you have a link to the story that talks about her home life? I've been trying to learn more about her, and haven't been able to find anything.
    Do you have language questions or letters/documents that you'd like to have examined in order to determine the language background of the writer? I can help!

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    Quote Originally Posted by marie-chantal View Post
    BBM

    Do you have a link to the story that talks about her home life? I've been trying to learn more about her, and haven't been able to find anything.
    I'll look around and see if I can find anything for you, Marie. I used Taylor as an example after reading several articles that mentioned bits and pieces about her home life. It wasn't just one article that focused just on her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CMan0928 View Post
    I'll look around and see if I can find anything for you, Marie. I used Taylor as an example after reading several articles that mentioned bits and pieces about her home life. It wasn't just one article that focused just on her.
    Thank you, CMan! I've been wondering about her life. She was very young, estranged from her family, and it sounded like she'd had a few run-ins with the police. There's something about her eyes in that photo that just breaks my heart.

    None of these women deserved to be murdered. I don't care what they did for a living-they deserve justice, and it infuriates me that the killer or killers have still not been apprehended.
    Do you have language questions or letters/documents that you'd like to have examined in order to determine the language background of the writer? I can help!

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