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    FL - 17-yo Boy Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain

    Why hasn't this man been arrested??? I just don't understand this!

    The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

    Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

    "He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."


    More at link: http://news.yahoo.com/family-florida...044537742.html

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    Just nuts. Why indeed?

    Since when is the neighborhood watch armed and dangerous???

    I don't know how its done there but here, you do not carry weapons, you carry flashlights and cel phones.

    You do not confront "suspicious" folks, you phone in tips to LE who then ask patrol to swing by and have a look.

    Have I missed some crucial fact here? WHy is this watch captain not being charged with something, anything??
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    That is just terrible! I'm sure the boy being black in a white community is why he was considered "suspicious," especially if he was visiting there and wasn't known to the people. But the watch captian should never have gotten out of his car and confronted the boy and definately shouldn't have shot him. The man should be convicted of first degree murder!

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    As much as I hate vigilante nuts with guns, I'm sensing there's something not being said here.

    The watch captain guy (who is only 26, and a college student, I was surprised, this type of thing usually seems to happen with much older men) found the boy "suspicious" and then followed him in his car. At some point George the Watch guy got out of his car and then it appears an altercation occurred. It seems to me that whatever George claims happened in that altercation is why he hasn't been arrested.

    There was a very similar case here recently where a nutso home owner shot a young man to death in his driveway at night, as the young man was fleeing. He had been in a wreck and was standing in the driveway calling a friend to come pick him up when the vigilante chased him and shot him 3 times in the back. He was arrested and charged with murder for that, we'll see how his trial goes.

    It would be interesting to hear what's on the 911 tapes.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1332756.html

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    I agree with teenager's family. Where is self-defense? If the guy was armed and in his car, and teenager unarmed, why did the guy get out of his car to begin with?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jjenny View Post
    I agree with teenager's family. Where is self-defense? If the guy was armed and in his car, and teenager unarmed, why did the guy get out of his car to begin with?
    I agree, and I think LE owes the family a lot more explanation if they plan not to charge George Z.

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    Not everyone has the ability to handle/carry a gun safely; there is no excuse for this cowboy's actions. Charges are definitely in order.

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    Here's a much more detailed article.

    Apparently there was a loud verbal argument that went on long enough for more than one resident of the neighborhood to call 911. Then, after shots were fired more neighbors called 911. It doesn't appear George Z ever did.

    After the shooting he was taken to the police station to complete the investigation and apparently at that point it sounds like there was a belief that it might have been justified.

    I'm going to reserve judgement here. It may well be self-defense.

    This is a gated community. Clearly it's the decision of the residents that they want to be protected, and they want to refuse entry to anyone they don't like walking around. It seems a neighborhood watch captain, in such a neighborhood, would be within their rights to stop and engage someone who looked out of place. And then the unthinkable happened.

    Reading between the lines this boy didn't live in a community like this. I think if he were raised in this community with "gated community standards" you submit to questioning more than someone from Miami might have learned to submit to. It's understood by those who buy into the 'gated community' type residence that they are glad to have their watch captains, and support that kind of scrutiny. Personally, I'd hate it.

    I hope there are more answers and there is peace here. No matter what, this is a loss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tlcox View Post
    Just nuts. Why indeed?

    Since when is the neighborhood watch armed and dangerous???

    I don't know how its done there but here, you do not carry weapons, you carry flashlights and cel phones.

    You do not confront "suspicious" folks, you phone in tips to LE who then ask patrol to swing by and have a look.

    Have I missed some crucial fact here? WHy is this watch captain not being charged with something, anything??
    Exactly. And why did he shoot?? Did the boy do something to provoke him? There doesn't seem to be much information in that article. It seems to me that he shot the poor kid unprovoked. The kid has Skittles on him for gosh sakes!!

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    Thanks for the more detailed article, Jeanna. What a sad story no matter what really happened. A boy is dead.

    I'm all for the right to carry guns but this seems to be a situation where maybe his life would have been saved if someone hadn't shot so quickly. Couldn't he have just pointed the gun at him until cops arrived?

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    Self defense against what? This kid wasn't even armed.... And just visiting his dad... And i am sure it wasn't the first time he was there...

    I expect to be able to walk around safely in a gated place... Just remember my visit at my uncle and aunts gates home...

    Rest in peace young Trayvon...

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    There was more than one 911 call. According to the video linked in the OP, Z. called 911 and reported suspicious person (supposedly police told him to let police handle it). Then the neighbors called in to report a fight.
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    Police hasn't released the 911 call but G.Z. most definitely called 911 reporting a suspicious person, and police supposedly told him to wait for police. Where is the self-defense?

    "On Thursday, Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee confirmed to WFTV that the dispatcher told Zimmerman to wait for officers to arrive."
    http://www.wftv.com/news/news/family...-leader/nLNq9/
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    Saying "they always get away" is certainly damning.

    But I can see a case where you could shoot someone in self defense and truly be acting in self defense even though the other person didn't have a gun.

    I don't know whether that's the case here, and maybe we'll know more soon. If they got into a physical fight, (just speculating) that could lead to someone pulling out a concealed weapon and defending themselves.

    This sounds like the case of two puffed-up hotheads coming together and a tragedy occurring.

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    Doesn't sound like that to me. G.Z. was reportedly told by police not to interfere, so what business did he have confronting anyone?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jjenny View Post
    Doesn't sound like that to me. G.Z. was reportedly told by police not to interfere, so what business did he have confronting anyone?
    I don't know. I don't know the rules of a gated community - as far as I know, they're private property and have the right under the rules of private property to elect/appoint watch captains who have the right to confront anyone they deem in their little minds to be suspicious. Because the whole neighborhood is owned and maintained by the neighborhood association, not the city. I think the legal key here may rest with the rights of gated private property owners vs. neighborhoods where the common areas (streets, sidewalks) are public property. It would be interesting to know more about their legal rights in this community.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeannaT View Post
    I don't know. I don't know the rules of a gated community - as far as I know, they're private property and have the right under the rules of private property to elect/appoint watch captains who have the right to confront anyone they deem in their little minds to be suspicious. Because the whole neighborhood is owned and maintained by the neighborhood association, not the city. I think the legal key here may rest with the rights of gated private property owners vs. neighborhoods where the common areas (streets, sidewalks) are public property. It would be interesting to know more about their legal rights in this community.
    But it wasn't like he would have been a stranger... He was visiting his dad.... I just don't understand why GZ didn't wait for the police if he really was concerned.. In my opinion in what we know right now GZ took the law in his own hands and played police..

    I don't want to blame him but there is not much reason for me right now to believe in self defense ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopeful One View Post
    Why hasn't this man been arrested??? I just don't understand this!

    The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

    Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

    "He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."


    More at link: http://news.yahoo.com/family-florida...044537742.html

    from your link above.

    Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

    "What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."
    GMAB, Trayvon was almost home! This is tragic and I am having a hard time seeing any 'self defense' excuse.

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    Chief Bill Lee of the Sanford Police Department on Thursday evening said the account given by Martin’s family and attorney is correct, that Zimmerman saw the young man walking home from the store. He said that Zimmerman did indeed call 911 and report a suspicious person, and that he was told not to follow him.

    “For some reason he felt that Trayvon, the way that he was walking or appeared seemed suspicious to him,” Lee said. “He called this in and at one part of this initial call [the dispatcher] recommends him not to follow Trayvon. A police officer is on the way at that point.”

    Lee said that Zimmerman instead followed Martin.

    “I believe that Mr. Zimmerman was trying to, by his account, find an address to give the officers and also trying to keep Trayvon in eyesight.”

    Zimmerman told the police that Martin noticed that he was being followed and asked, “what’s your problem?”

    That's when a physical confrontation ensued, Lee said. And moments later, Martin was shot.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1332756.html

    this stinks to high heavens. Trayvon could have thought he was being follow by some pervert.

    Zimmerman was told, by LE not to follow him but he did and now a life has been ended. I'm not saying I believe that Zimmerman meant to kill someone that night, but if he had listened to LE, Trayvon would still be alive.
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    Wow... And reading the article posted above makes me really wonder... Apparently LE is investigating GZ regarding two other happenings...
    And GZ with his background should have known better but to disobey the orders NOT to follow Trayvor...

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    I want to know what is so suspicious about a 17-year-old boy walking home from a store? Was the only reason he was deemed "suspicious" because he was black? Was he walking in people's yards? Peeking in windows? Doesn't sound like it to me? Sounds like he was simply walking on the sidewalk. Anyone thinking how scared he could have been that someone was following him? With all the sickos out there? What if he had run? I believe this man would have still shot him.

    Charges should be filed! He killed this boy.
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    The chief said the police have met with Zimmerman on two to three separate occasions, and the there investigation should be wrapped up this week. He said all of the evidence in the case will be delivered to the State Attorney

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2012/03/08/family-of-trayvon-martin-_n_1332756.html

    Here comes the question we probably asked ourselves so many times.

    WHY DID THIS HAVE TO HAPPEN.....?

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    From Lovejac's post, quoting the article:

    Zimmerman told the police that Martin noticed that he was being followed and asked, “what’s your problem?”

    That's when a physical confrontation ensued, Lee said. And moments later, Martin was shot.

    This is key. If during a verbal confrontation, Trayvor attacked George Z physically and then he acted in self-defense, that's legal IMHO. It appears to me that's what happened, and that's why George Z isn't being charged with a crime. Reading between the lines that's what it seems might be the case.

    Recently I've seen a couple cases where some unwitting teenager accidentally walks on some nut's property, and gets shot to death trying to escape the assault by the property owner. And that's NOT the same thing, IMHO. A young person who cuts across a lawn or is standing on a sidewalk in front of some vigilante's house and then is chased and shot in cold blood for just standing there is not the same thing as someone who is in a physical confrontation and then gets shot. Because if what I'm speculating is true, that George Z initiated a question about who Trayvor was, and Trayvor (justifiably) became defensive and a verbal argument ensured, and then as a result of that Trayvor physically attacked George Z, that's legally justified.

    I don't know that scenario is true. I'm just guessing based on the few facts that have been told, and the response from LE not to charge George Z.

    My heart is still breaking over the local case where a young man was standing in a driveway of a nutcase, and gunned down as he was trying to flee the verbal assault of the homeowner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LolaMoon08 View Post
    I want to know what is so suspicious about a 17-year-old boy walking home from a store? Was the only reason he was deemed "suspicious" because he was black? Was he walking in people's yards? Peeking in windows? Doesn't sound like it to me? Sounds like he was simply walking on the sidewalk. Anyone thinking how scared he could have been that someone was following him? With all the sickos out there? What if he had run? I believe this man would have still shot him.

    Charges should be filed! He killed this boy.
    I think that's a fair guess. But maybe he would have aggressively pursued any teenager he thought he could get away with. It's hard to imagine he'd have treated an old man walking a little dog this way.

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    For the record, his name is Trayvon, not Trayvor. Just wanted to clear that up with respect for him.

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