IMO, MB's "paper alibi" doesn't seem that solid. Who knows how far along he was on the paper, to begin with. CR/MB could be tag-teaming here, based on that ... MB says CR crashed; CR doesn't see MB because he did so.
That said, IDK how CR/MB could have disposed of LS in the given timeframe, especially if CR was indeed wasted or injured.
It would make more sense that she called DR because she didn't have her keys, thinking he could let her in. And then maybe because she couldn't reach him, she backtracked her steps to find her keys? Although I'm still more inclined to think that JR made the call ...
again, lots of unanswered questions. having even a few answers could help piece the puzzle together. i suspect the spierers and LE know more than we do, though.
You would think security would be on duty at night because that's when you need them most. But, there are so many cameras. It is difficult for one guy to monitor all at once. Some motion detectors could have alerted one to the fight.
Or, was security closed down?
Reading about new developments in the Etan Patz case reminds me of the construction going on by 5 North last summer. I grapple with how LS could have left Bloomington the morning of June 3 with a POI. I wonder if there's any possibility she was hid in a construction zone and somehow moved later? Wasn't there other construction going on in town during that time as well? If so, what type of equipment was around? Cement mixers? Steel drums? Anything?
I agree that security didn't seem so resourceful that night. Was a security guard supposed to be there but was absent for a time, i.e., on an early coffee/donut run? I'm sure that was thoroughly checked out, though ...
IMO, LS could have turned around to look for her keys/wristlet on the way back to SW. OTOH, we really don't know if she habitually lost things or left them behind. I've noticed that one of my daughter's friends repeatedly does this, under no special circumstances.
This reminded me of my very first reaction to those early rumors about possible overdose and unnamed drug dealers... My earliest thoughts about what happened, and the phone call to DR were:
1) Lauren was in some kind of distress at this point. They knew she had either gotten drugs/ done drugs with DR earlier in the night, and called him to find out what she had done, or what to do... (Or possibly Lauren herself called, for the same reason)
2) Lauren had left with the intention of coming back, and when she didn't, they called him to see if he knew what happened or if she had ended up back at Smallwood. One thing that comes to mind, given the rumors, is meeting someone to pick up drugs. In my experience at parties in university, drug dealers did not come and drop off the party supplies at the door. Someone would have to go meet them, or drive around the block with them to make the exchange. Girls often did this, even by themselves. (Seems crazy now, but it was assumed at the time that the person was someone that people knew so it was okay) I wondered, early on, if it was possible that Lauren went to meet someone in that parking lot/ alley and never made it back... But then, it seems that if something like that happened, there would have been phone records leading to someone else, and possibly more cooperation from the POI. It also assumes she was in the condition to not only leave by herself but that she wanted to continue partying, which seems doubtful based on the other evidence. And that doubt brings me right back to questioning the stories of the POI... more thinking in circles.
(I have to add that I don't really like speculating about drugs because I see that her parents have been upset by these rumors and that they have caused some negative backlash against Lauren. At the same time, I've always felt that the early rumors were detailed enough and consistent enough that there may be at least a grain of truth in there somewhere... )
Charlene Spierer believes her daughter is no longer alive
Some of the people she hung out with that night remain persons of interest in the ongoing criminal investigation, and the young woman’s parents continue to question their truthfulness — even after their private investigator interviewed a couple of them.
“I feel if she never met Corey Rossman, she’d be alive today,” Robert Spierer said of one of the students she was with that night. I believe that too.
Friday night I drove home via the new bypass for the first time. Nicely paved and quiet, streamlined traffic and I shuddered at the thought.
Last summer, I drove around West Bloomfield, MI (JR and DR's stomping ground). There was also a lot of construction going on there. Having never been to Bloomington, IDK how the lay of the land compares. But I did see chaotic areas that I could imagine a body lost in. That spooked me, too, though I realize it's a long shot.
I guess we take LS with us, in some respects ...
I'd bet Lauren Spierer is not in Bloomington. She will be found though and the bad boys will face justice. That's a promise.
That said, I agree with Jacobite. I think it's more likely that she's not in this area.
I'm pretty sure all of us here share Mr. Spierer's sentiments:
emphasis added by meRob Spierer responded, "I hope that they think about Lauren everyday like we do and I hope that they think about how their failure to act on her behalf had an impact on the circumstances of today. Whether it was a failure to call 911, whether it was a failure to take her to the hospital, whether it was a failure to walk her home, they're all failures.
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I just read Jupiter's post from today(3:21pm)...that's the first time I recall ever reading that JR met up with LS and CR at Kilroys. Makes me wonder if CR and JR were in on something together... This could explain why they might have created a story that gets them both off the hook.
Rossman said he was punched so hard he lost memory of the night, though video surveillance shows he helped her out of her building.
This is the first time I've heard of video evidence. All this time the report was that a "friend" helped her out. No name was given.
I'm thinking we may be calling checkmate on the bad boy real soon. Maybe we did not
look in the right place because we couldn't believe anyone could make such a stupid move.
My biggest fear is that she had a heart-related issue and the POIs thought she was ODing. That would make this tragic story even more tragic.
Re: girls going to meet DD, etc. IMO, a lot of girls don't think that people their own age would harm them, regardless of the circumstances. And I suppose we inadvertently support that by warning them about "dirty old men," etc.
“She comes stumbling out of the elevator, trips several times toward the corner of the lobby, where she comes to rest in the corner of the lobby, falls to her knees and leans against the wall for support until a male companion comes to her aid, gathers her under his arm and escorts out of the front of the building,” a source who has viewed the video tells the Journal News.
I've always wondered if one of the boys from the altercation or a Smallwood resident helped her up and out and then she and CR met up outside.
Last edited by Jupiter812; 04-24-2012 at 04:38 PM. Reason: Add later thought