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    ME - Frenchville, 'Baby Jane Doe' Newborn UP15152, in gravel pit, Dec'85

    http://www.maine.gov/tools/whatsnew/...icle-homicides

    A woman drove into a gravel pit in Frenchville, Maine in 1985, got out of her vehicle and proceeded to give birth to a baby girl. She then carried the living baby into the woods and left her there. It was extremely cold, and bootprints were observed frozen into the blood left on the ground. A Siberian Husky later found the infant and carried it home to it's owner. The infant died of exposure, and was not harmed by the Husky. The mother has never been located, and it is suspected she is from Canada.

    Criminal Investigation Division III, 106 Hogan Road, Bangor, Maine 04401. (207) 941-4071 or toll free 1-800-432-7381.
    Last edited by CarlK90245; 03-26-2013 at 04:25 AM.

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    Le bump

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    Gosh...there's hardly anything to go on.

    Wish there were more details.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amazing-sea-monkey View Post
    Gosh...there's hardly anything to go on.

    Wish there were more details.
    Agreed I wish there was more to go on.
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    Police Seek Couple Linked to Dead Baby (archived article from Associated Press dated Dec 9, 1985)

    The couple was reportedly spotted in Madawaska, ME (10 minute drive from Frenchville, ME), the young woman was apparently in some distress.

    http://www.apnewsarchive.com/1985/Po...dac518916f891d

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    Poor baby! Hope the parents/killers are found.

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    Looking for information

    I am a reporter in Maine doing a story on this case. Anyone with information or interest in this sad case, please contact me. I would welcome comments and insight.

    Thank you!

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    I just found a long article article about this case here. I wonder if it was written by jb90619?

    The article also links to a 1985 newspaper article from when this happened. It's very short, but you can read it here.

    I feel terrible for the couple that found the baby. The part where they said (paraphrased) ''Why didn't they just drop her off on our doorstep? We were never able to have children; we would have adopted her'' just broke my heart.

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    I suspect the baby was buried and not cremated? So maybe disinterrement and DNA sampling is a possibility?
    We 'embraced' the missing Bob Harrod case as requested but 6 years on, are still waiting for further guidance


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    Familial DNA testing is controversial. It was allowed in this case in Orange County, CA - I don't know what legislation is in Maine though. Interesting article, anyhow.

    http://ocsd.org/news/details?NewsID=1867&TargetID=88
    We 'embraced' the missing Bob Harrod case as requested but 6 years on, are still waiting for further guidance


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    Thanks Migmuu for the update; heart-wrenching all around. If only there had been publicized, anonymous baby drop-off locations...

    Or maybe it could have had a happy ending like this story from the same time period:

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/03/26...fter-27-years/

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    I feel pretty bad for the mother, too. Women who do this are very desperate. I can't imagine what her life must have been like, to be so desperate that this seemed like the only option.

    I don't think a woman would be in any condition to drive immediately after giving birth, especially in cases like this. She'd be too exhausted, in too much physical pain, and probably emotionally wrecked over the situation.

    I think she was driven there by someone, gave birth (possibly with this person's assistance), got back in the car, and they drove off. But who was that person? What power/authority did that person have over the mother? And why did they choose this over abortion, adoption, keeping the infant, or dropping the infant off at a hospital or police station?

    Whoever it was obviously didn't have any regard for the mother's health, as this was outside in the dead of winter in a very cold environment, with no hospital nearby in case something went seriously wrong. It makes me wonder if the mother is a child herself (preteen or teenager) and became pregnant through rape, possibly at the hands of a relative. And if that rapist was the one driving her to and from the gravel pit.

    It would explain many things. Why they didn't go with abortion or adoption (people would wonder why someone so young was pregnant, and that would risk exposing the abuse). Why there was so little regard for the mother's wellbeing. Why nobody noticed that a young pregnant person was not pregnant anymore and there was no baby in sight. And, most importantly, why it's been almost 30 years and nobody has come forward with the mother or driver's identity.

    Of course, this is only a theory and there's no hard evidence to back it up, so take it with a grain of salt. It could just be that the mom was a horrible selfish person and she did it 100% of her own volition and she's a psychopath. But I'm starting to think this may be an abused girl who was basically forced by her family to abandon the baby in this way.

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    I know this seems really far fetched, but I was researching a young woman that went missing in November of 1985 from Texas. She was 8 months pregnant. There are few details about her case, but is it possible she left voluntarily, abandoned her baby, and started a new life? Or could she have been abducted, gone into labor in her abductor's car, and forced to give birth in the gravel pit and abandon her baby by her captor? I know it sounds nuts, but thought I'd throw this out there.

    Linda Ann House
    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/h/house_linda.html

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    'Baby Jane Doe' cold case haunts couple, community


    Among the list of Maine cold cases is Baby Jane Doe, a newborn left to die in Frenchville on a cold December night.

    With the creation of the state's first cold case unit underway, CBS 13 is looking at the cases still unsolved.

    Quiet and rural, Frenchville is nestled in the St. John Valley, right across the river from Canada. A welcome sign calls it "a small town with a big heart."

    It's a heart that was broken in 1985.



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