I've been trying to come up with a scenario of how TM ended up face down as well. Here is MOO of what MIGHT have happened. If you listen the extended interview given by the neighbor named Mary, she says that she sees GZ with his arms stretched out and it looks like he pressing on TM after the shooting. Then she sees TM's leg move, but thinks it might have been an after death movement. She isn't sure. But she says she is sure whatever GZ was doing to the body wasn't to help TM. (I'm assuming she means CPR.)
Well, in my opinion, I think TM was not originally face down. I think GZ frisked TM to look for the weapon I'm sure he thought Tray had on him. Tray may have been face up first immediately after the shooting and GZ checked his front pockets for a "weapon" then rolled him over to check the back of his waistband and then lifted his leg to check his socks/shoes near his ankle.
That could explain Mary seeing the leg move. GZ finds skittles and iced tea instead of a weapon and that's why he's seen with his hands on his head giving the WTF did I just do look that was reported.
Again, this is all speculation and just a guess on my part.
I really hate that we don't know what happened to this young man. I can only pray that forensics will speak when Tray cannot.
Not that anyone should ever under any circumstances do any such thing....more random thoughtless violence is NOT the answer to any problem or the punishment for bad judgement and stupidity.
729,465 Siggies, on Tray'a petition Y'all...
WFTV says not racial slur. For those that have suggested Zimmerman was a racist based on that recording - see how easy it is to hear what you want and make snap judgements, exactly what Zimmerman did when he saw Martin.
Perhaps Martin thought (as many others thought) he heard Zimmerman make a racial slur, and as passionate as people get over such slurs, did attack Zimmerman.
As tragic as Martin's death is, I think it's going to be difficult to prove Zimmerman technically broke any laws.
"Throughout the day, people on social media websites began reporting that they heard the racial slur; however, others said they don't believe that it was an offensive comment. To listen for yourself, click here.
WFTV had an audio expert listen to the call, and determined that the word said was "punks.""
Have we gotten any type of confirmation on Trayvon's phone? Did LE take it that night? We've heard that Trayvon's parents don't have it. I also saw something about SPD asking the parents for the phone (or was it just the records?).
So, if SPD don't have it and Trayvon's parents don't have it - then WTH is it? Could that be was GZ was doing right after he shot him? GZ could have been looking for a weapon as well - grabbed the phone and rolled him over - that would explain why Trayvon was face down with his hands underneath.
ITA the angle of the gunshot wound will say alot.
Does anyone have any thoughts on how the call with Tray and his girlfriend dropped so quickly? I'm surprised she didn't hear more of the altercation. I can definitely see the phone call eventually dropping during a struggle, but I just can't figure out how one push would cause the phone to disconnect.
Just my opinion
Even if TM ran towards GZs truck waving his skittles and tea in a threatening manner (is that even possible?) GZ could just step on the gas....
I respectfully beg to differ with you on that. While it is true that there isn't an eye witness, nor a camera which caught everything on tape, there is STILL evidence, there is in actuality mountains of circumstantial evidence which is still valuable evidence that cannot be dismissed.
When my kid was 3 and I had a chocolate cake on the table, and he came into the living room with chocolate smeared all over his mouth and there were little fingerprint tunnels all through the icing on the cake I did NOT have to have a tape of him doing it to know he had been in my cake.
Beyond a reasonable doubt does NOT mean erasing ALL doubt, accepting on the concrete hard and fast truth.
A reasonable person could and very likely would conclude that There is no reasonable or logical reason that TM would after running and attempting to geet away from GZ would suddenly turn and attack, with such ferocity and viciousness that GZ who was armed with a loaded gun, bigger and older than him was in actual fear of his life. There is a huge preponderance of circumstantial evidence to show that TM had no interest in any form of physical confrontation and was actively attempting to avoid it until it was forced on him by GZ.
By forcing that confrontation which led to the young mans death GZ did in deed and in fact technically and actually break the law.
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I'm also concerned that one of the family attorneys says their tape does not contain that...
The idea that he approached and politely asked the young man if he were lost and why was he in the neighborhood was just not on the agenda, he approched in a belligerant way, and wanted to do "What are you doing around here" in a threatening manner....and very likely started the confrontation by putting his hands on Tray First....
It was what he intended to do all along and is precisely why he got out of the truck to begin with.
This was published the day after the killing, and apparently updated on March 14. Yet it still contains information that Tracy Martin is Tray's mother, when he is actually Tray's father.
"On Monday afternoon, a FOX 35 News crew met with Tracy Martin who said the victim in the shooting is her 17-year-old son, Trayvon, who was visiting from Miami.
"He walked out of the house to go to the store. He was going to the store," she said. "He doesn't know anybody here. He just came down here, so he was bored, so he walked down to the store. He was on his way back home. I'm living down here. He was sitting on the porch and this man killed him."
So if, the day after the killing occurred, a news crew met with somebody, assigned them dad's name and said they were mom (who we now know does not live in Sanford at all), then maybe it's prudent to view this early report with a more skeptical eye.
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