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    trial thread: 3/21/2012

    New thread for a new day. Please remember the rules







    when posting an opinion please remember to use your or or just IMO or JMO will do nicely.

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    the crown will present its case in chapters:

    Chapter 1: The day of the kidnapping. The surveillance video showing Rafferty driving up the street outside Tori's school and McClintic walking Tori up the street. Witnesses from and around Oliver Stephens public school will talk about seeing Tori.

    An identification officer will use photographs and maps to show the route from Woodstock to Guelph.

    Tori's mother, Tara McDonald, will testify about the frantic hours the family spent looking for Tori.

    Chapter 2: Terri-Lynne McClintic. "She was an essential part of all that happened," Gowdey said. "I expect her credibility will be a major issue in this case."

    Chapter 3: Guelph -- video surveillance and bank records detailing the events there.

    Chapter 4: the Mount Forest death scene, which the jury will visit. "It will be difficult to go to the very place where this happened, I know that, but understanding the crime scene is crucial to understanding the crime," Gowdey said. Photographs, some of them graphic, will be used to explain "exactly how the killing happened."

    "Unfortunately it is only through them that you can fully understand (the) evidence," Gowdey said.

    Chapter 5: Police interaction with Rafferty.

    Chapter 6: The searches of Rafferty and McClintic's residences and the evidence found.

    Chapter 7: The Honda Civic. What was found inside.

    Chapter 8: Rafferty's connection to the Mount Forest area.

    Chapter 9: Comments Rafferty made to friends after April 8. "He had some interesting things to say to other people about Terri-Lynne McClintic and about the kidnapping itself," Gowdey said.

    Chapter 10: The May 15 weekend and Rafferty's actions.

    Chapter 11: The BlackBerry. The BlackBerry allowed police to track his movements April 8 and after.

    Chapter 12: A recap of the surveillance video.
    http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/r.../19463111.html


    reposting Salem's warning from last week:

    Okay everybody - LISTEN UP! We are not bashing, accusing or blaming Tori's family here. It won't be allowed.

    Children walk home from school every day without incident. Parents are not perfect, it's just not possible. Tori's parents DID NOT do this to her. TLM and an accomplice DID. That is where the blame goes.

    We had a lot of family bashing in the early parts of this investigation after Tori went missing and a lot of baseless accusations - NONE OF WHICH PROVED TO BE TRUE. Victim and family bashing will not be allowed during this trial.

    Thank you,

    Salem

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    Good Morning!

    Hoping for no hiccups in the trial today. Enough of the delays!

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    Testimony is to resume today at the Tori Stafford murder trial in London.

    The jury got the day off Tuesday as the judge heard arguments from the lawyers at the first-degree murder trial of Michael Rafferty.

    http://www.am980.ca/channels/news/lo...spx?ID=1673630

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    There is such a pretty picture of Tori at the LFP site. One I hadn't seen before. For some reason it won't let me copy and paste it.

    Here is the link.

    http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/r.../19530086.html
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    RaffertyLFP: In overflow court waiting for Rafferty trial to resume. Court likely to hear resolution of legal issues discussed Tuesday with jury absent [via Twitter]
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    RaffertyLFP: Court is resuming but jury is not present [via Twitter]
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    They had all day yesterday to conclude their legal matters...why jury not present now???!! So frustrating, just wanting Justice.
    Our memories shape us, providing a backdrop for our daily lives, a context for our actions, a rationale for our sometimes dubious decisions. Who we are today is inextricably woven through with memories of who we were yesterday, and the days before that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~n/t~ View Post
    RaffertyLFP: In overflow court waiting for Rafferty trial to resume. Court likely to hear resolution of legal issues discussed Tuesday with jury absent [via Twitter]
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    The voir dire continues at 9:30, jury is back at 10. Terri-Lynne McClintic's testimony continues for a fourth day

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    Quote Originally Posted by nettie_82 View Post
    They had all day yesterday to conclude their legal matters...why jury not present now???!! So frustrating, just wanting Justice.
    Sometimes when you're arguing a point, the judge wants to take time to have his clerk research the issue before hearing additional arguments from counsel and rendering a decision on a legal point. While it can be annoying, delays like this can also be a good thing - a sign that the judge is being very thorough so that there won't be any issues with legal technicalities.
    “Justice cannot be for one side alone, but must be for both.” - Eleanor Roosevelt


    In no way should any of my statements be construed as legal opinion or advice. I am a newly practicing lawyer (yay!) but not a verified poster here at WS. The above statement(s) are an expression of my personal opinion, for entertainment purposes only, and copyright.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matou View Post
    @AdrianMorrow
    The voir dire continues at 9:30, jury is back at 10. Terri-Lynne McClintic's testimony continues for a fourth day
    are they doing voir dire of an expert I wonder??? (I recall how long that took in that case in florida I will not name)
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    Quote Originally Posted by ~n/t~ View Post
    There is such a pretty picture of Tori at the LFP site. One I hadn't seen before. For some reason it won't let me copy and paste it.

    Here is the link.

    http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/r.../19530086.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by redkatrampant View Post
    Thank you!!
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    Rafferty trial Day 10 (03/21/2012)

    10:04 Mike Knoll: @Guest - absolutely not. we can only report on what the jury hears. Wednesday March 21, 2012 10:04 Mike Knoll

    10:04 [Comment From Guest Guest : ]
    can you report on what the legal issues are being discussed

    9:40 RaffertyLFP: Court is resuming but jury is not present [via Twitter]
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    Quote Originally Posted by redkatrampant View Post
    Thank you!!

    Having issues with WS loading tooooo sloooow.
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    Still waiting.....JMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~n/t~ View Post
    Thank you!!

    Having issues with WS loading tooooo sloooow.
    You are welcome. I think those of use in the Hailey Dunn thread are slowing things down.
    JMO.

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    RaffertyLFP: The jury is still not back. The court continues to discuss legal issues
    "The dead cannot cry out for justice; it is a duty of the living to do so for them."
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    The jury is still not back. The court continues to discuss legal issues

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    are the parents allowed to be present for the voire dire's and other proceedings as well as the testimony
    As always, JMO

    Evil is; as evil does.


    Prayers for Jun Lin, his family and those that love him.
    Justice is patient, relentless in its pursuit and is on the march for Justin Lin....

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    They had all day yesterday to discuss legal issues!!!!
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    does anyone know if the trial transcripts (re: objections, legal issues, etc) will be available after the trial is over?

    fwiw I am not surprised at the amount of things/time that the legal arguments take (the ones that we are not privy to while the jury is out of the room)
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    Quote Originally Posted by nursebeeme View Post
    does anyone know if the trial transcripts (re: objections, legal issues, etc) will be available after the trial is over?

    fwiw I am not surprised at the amount of things/time that the legal arguments take (the ones that we are not privy to while the jury is out of the room)
    Yes my understanding (and a tweet posted sometime last week at LFP) was that after the trial, they can report on the legal issues discussed during court, etc.
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    More people are showing up to the #rafferty trial now. Jury has yet to come back.

    Without the jury. I am unable to report on what is being said

    RT @JeremyGlobalTV: Rodney #Stafford has arrived at London courthouse as #Rafferty trial continues this morning. lockerz.com

    RaffertyLFP: The jury is coming back in. McClintic is back on the stand [via Twitter

    rafferty stands every time the jury enters or leaves. He's not required to. It's interesting

    Jury back in the courtroom. Judge briefs them on decision about McClintic may 2009 statement

    Judge tells jury that McClintics May 2009 statement was only supposed to be used to judge credibility but there are exceptions

    Judge tells jury that McClintics may 2009 statement satisfies one of those exceptions

    McClintic is back in the witness box. Heeney is telling the jury he has ruled they may consider McClintic's video statement.

    Judge "you should pay close attention" to what she says and how she says it.

    Court will now see more excerpts from may 2009 statement by McClintic
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    RaffertyLFP: The jury is coming back in. McClintic is back on the stand [via Twitter]
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