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    trial thread: 3/22/2012

    New thread for a new day. Please remember the rules

    When posting an opinion please remember to use IMO or JMO.

    the crown will present its case in chapters:

    Chapter 1: The day of the kidnapping. The surveillance video showing Rafferty driving up the street outside Tori's school and McClintic walking Tori up the street. Witnesses from and around Oliver Stephens public school will talk about seeing Tori.
    An identification officer will use photographs and maps to show the route from Woodstock to Guelph.
    Tori's mother, Tara McDonald, will testify about the frantic hours the family spent looking for Tori.

    Chapter 2: Terri-Lynne McClintic. "She was an essential part of all that happened," Gowdey said. "I expect her credibility will be a major issue in this case."

    Chapter 3: Guelph -- video surveillance and bank records detailing the events there.

    Chapter 4: the Mount Forest death scene, which the jury will visit. "It will be difficult to go to the very place where this happened, I know that, but understanding the crime scene is crucial to understanding the crime," Gowdey said. Photographs, some of them graphic, will be used to explain "exactly how the killing happened."
    "Unfortunately it is only through them that you can fully understand (the) evidence," Gowdey said.

    Chapter 5: Police interaction with Rafferty.

    Chapter 6: The searches of Rafferty and McClintic's residences and the evidence found.

    Chapter 7: The Honda Civic. What was found inside.

    Chapter 8: Rafferty's connection to the Mount Forest area.

    Chapter 9: Comments Rafferty made to friends after April 8. "He had some interesting things to say to other people about Terri-Lynne McClintic and about the kidnapping itself," Gowdey said.

    Chapter 10: The May 15 weekend and Rafferty's actions.

    Chapter 11: The BlackBerry. The BlackBerry allowed police to track his movements April 8 and after.

    Chapter 12: A recap of the surveillance video.
    http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/r.../19463111.html

    reposting Salem's warning from last week:
    Okay everybody - LISTEN UP! We are not bashing, accusing or blaming Tori's family here. It won't be allowed.
    Children walk home from school every day without incident. Parents are not perfect, it's just not possible. Tori's parents DID NOT do this to her. TLM and an accomplice DID. That is where the blame goes.
    We had a lot of family bashing in the early parts of this investigation after Tori went missing and a lot of baseless accusations - NONE OF WHICH PROVED TO BE TRUE. Victim and family bashing will not be allowed during this trial.
    Thank you,
    Salem
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    UPDATE: 8:55 Convicted murderer Terri-Lynne McClintic is expected to face another grilling Thursday from the defence in the first-degree murder trial of her ex-boyfriend Michael Rafferty.

    http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/r.../19534696.html

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    Blatchford: McClintic had no reason to lie about Tori's slaughter (video)

    Though the jurors don't have to determine who actually killed Tori in order to reach a verdict here, one question remains, not fully answered either by McClintic in the witness box or in the May 24 video: Why on Earth would she have bothered to lie about which of them was the killer when by both accounts, she surely sunk herself, and so seriously implicated Rafferty?

    http://www.canada.com/news/Blatchfor...990/story.html

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    Waiting for resumption of Rafferty trial - McClintic back for X-examination

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    Good Morning!

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    Quote Originally Posted by matou View Post
    UPDATE: 8:55 Convicted murderer Terri-Lynne McClintic is expected to face another grilling Thursday from the defence in the first-degree murder trial of her ex-boyfriend Michael Rafferty.

    http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/r.../19534696.html
    Grilling? Seriously?
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    • Defense lawyer Dirk Derstine done with McClintic's jail letters will likely review her criminal record

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~n/t~ View Post
    Grilling? Seriously?
    I agree. I don't think he dares to grill her about anything that related to the crimes his client is accused of. JMO

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    Gosh, went to yesterday's thread, it said it was closed, but the quote button was still working and there was not link to the new thread. I don't want to complain, but this is the second day now that there is no link to the new thread
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    Going over TLM's criminal record and her angry youth rantings does nothing but make MR look bad too if you ask me. If the defence is trying to make her look like the evil mastermind and MR was just along for the ride, literally, this may backfire.
    "No one believes a word out of your mouth, why do you keep talking?" --Ryan Owens (ABC News)


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    Here is a video interview on CTV with Steven Shurka who is a legal analyst and speaks about TLM's video confession and how it may become necessary for RM to take the witness stand:

    Canada AM: Legal analyst Steven Skurka on the video
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    Read more: http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Canada/201...#ixzz1pqvxBUc8


    It's the first video on the right sidebar.
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    If TLM's criminal juvenile record is going to be examined, does this mean that MR's juvenile record (if he has one) can be unsealed for this case and brought up in trial?

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    I would like somebody skilled at statement analysis to review that video and provide their opinion. Just for my own curiousity.

    FWIW I went to a workshop on statement analysis of 911 calls a couple of months ago. Fascinating stuff!
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    Quote Originally Posted by matou View Post
    I agree. I don't think he dares to grill her about anything that related to the crimes his client is accused of. JMO
    I think he will cross examine her about the abduction and murder ... he is one of the best around apparently, The defence's case seems to be welll thought out ... they are going in a logical order, establishing her history and character and showing evidence to back up their defence strategy. If he can poke sufficient holes in her story under cross-examination, her credibility will be compromised, leaving a larger window of opportunity for the jury to see MR at the very least as the more sympathetic of the pair. Having said that tho the forensic evidence has not yet been presented, and from what we know so far, it wil be difficult to refute. There is still a long ways to go in this trial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matou View Post
    If TLM's criminal juvenile record is going to be examined, does this mean that MR's juvenile record (if he has one) can be unsealed for this case and brought up in trial?
    I don't think so. I am wondering if it is because TLM is not on trial that this can be done.
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