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03-22-2012, 04:39 PM #1
trial thread: 3/23/2012
New thread for a new day. Please remember the rules
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the crown will present its case in chapters:
Chapter 1: The day of the kidnapping. The surveillance video showing Rafferty driving up the street outside Tori's school and McClintic walking Tori up the street. Witnesses from and around Oliver Stephens public school will talk about seeing Tori.
An identification officer will use photographs and maps to show the route from Woodstock to Guelph.
Tori's mother, Tara McDonald, will testify about the frantic hours the family spent looking for Tori.
Chapter 2: Terri-Lynne McClintic. "She was an essential part of all that happened," Gowdey said. "I expect her credibility will be a major issue in this case."
Chapter 3: Guelph -- video surveillance and bank records detailing the events there.
Chapter 4: the Mount Forest death scene, which the jury will visit. "It will be difficult to go to the very place where this happened, I know that, but understanding the crime scene is crucial to understanding the crime," Gowdey said. Photographs, some of them graphic, will be used to explain "exactly how the killing happened."
"Unfortunately it is only through them that you can fully understand (the) evidence," Gowdey said.
Chapter 5: Police interaction with Rafferty.
Chapter 6: The searches of Rafferty and McClintic's residences and the evidence found.
Chapter 7: The Honda Civic. What was found inside.
Chapter 8: Rafferty's connection to the Mount Forest area.
Chapter 9: Comments Rafferty made to friends after April 8. "He had some interesting things to say to other people about Terri-Lynne McClintic and about the kidnapping itself," Gowdey said.
Chapter 10: The May 15 weekend and Rafferty's actions.
Chapter 11: The BlackBerry. The BlackBerry allowed police to track his movements April 8 and after.
Chapter 12: A recap of the surveillance video.
Salem's warning from last week:
Okay everybody - LISTEN UP! We are not bashing, accusing or blaming Tori's family here. It won't be allowed.
Children walk home from school every day without incident. Parents are not perfect, it's just not possible. Tori's parents DID NOT do this to her. TLM and an accomplice DID. That is where the blame goes.
We had a lot of family bashing in the early parts of this investigation after Tori went missing and a lot of baseless accusations - NONE OF WHICH PROVED TO BE TRUE. Victim and family bashing will not be allowed during this trial.
and reposting SoSueMe's warning:
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This bee my opinion
03-23-2012, 07:32 AM #2
Top of the day to everyone!
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03-23-2012, 08:02 AM #3
Justice for Holly Bobo🎀
03-23-2012, 08:50 AM #4"I was just doing what I was told to do," she said about snatching Tori off the street outside her school.
"What you chose to do," Derstine said.
"What I was told to do. . ." she retorted.
"It's not really your fault you took Tori because somebody else made you," he continued later in the exchange.
"I did what I did. I'm not the only guilty party here, and that is why I am sitting here today," McClintic said.
McClintic's most dramatic counterattack came about two-thirds through the day in a speech about April 8, 2009.
"When I woke up April 8, I never had murder on my mind. I did not plan on kidnapping a little girl. Later on that day when I walked down the street with that little girl, I did not think I was walking her to her death and I sure as hell didn't think it would be my hands that took her life," she said in tears The day seemed like the trial of McClintic, not Rafferty, and Justice Thomas Heeney had to remind jurors that questions and suggestions aren't evidence unless a witness accepts them as truth.Justice for Holly Bobo🎀
03-23-2012, 08:53 AM #5
McClintic grilling expected to continue
http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/r.../19539641.htmlJustice for Holly Bobo🎀
03-23-2012, 09:16 AM #6
Some questions and answers being asked at the London Free Press site:
Mike Knoll: @Guest - before the trial we were told there would be around 100 witnesses.
Comment From Guest
Is there any speculation on how many witnesses will be called by the crown?
Mike Knoll: @Guest - this is quite possible.
Comment From Guest
do you think the defense will be finished questioning her today?Justice for Holly Bobo🎀
03-23-2012, 09:18 AM #7
Terri-Lynne McClintic will face what could her last day on the stand at the Tori Stafford murder trial
03-23-2012, 09:30 AM #8
For TM and RS there will always be life before Tori was murdered and life after Tori was murdered; how DOES one cope with that. How DOES one find enjoyment in life after a tragedy like that without every experience colored by that horrible event. It should not be possible that another human being has the power to be able to do that to another human being let alone what was done to that precious girl. Ho hum but yet it has happened.
Kudos to the professionals who dedicate their lives to finding justice for the victims and for their families. It must exact an unmeasurable toll on them on top of the pride they must feel being able to bring justice to them.As always, JMO
Evil is; as evil does.
Prayers for Jun Lin, his family and those that love him.Justice is patient, relentless in its pursuit and is on the march for Justin Lin....
03-23-2012, 09:38 AM #9
03-23-2012, 09:46 AM #10
RaffertyLFP: Waiting for start of Michael Rafferty trial. Cross examination of Terri-Lynne McClintic expected to continue. [via Twitter]Justice for Holly Bobo🎀
03-23-2012, 09:53 AM #11
Wishing the family of Victoria Stafford warm wishes and hoping they stay strong with their courage today. It must be so extremely difficult to bear witness to this trial.
Hopefully, they draw comfort from an angel above.
03-23-2012, 09:54 AM #12
The defence will continue its cross-examination of Terri-Lynne McClintic today. She pleaded guilty to the first-degree murder of Tori in April 2010. Yesterday, lawyer Dirk Derstine suggested McClintic was the "engine" behind the death of the eight-year-old girl, pointing to a history of violent incidents.
McClintic testified last week that she delivered the fatal blows in a fit of rage on April 8, 2009, but maintains that the abduction of Tori was directed by Rafferty.
Court is scheduled to resume at 10 a.m.
by Jon Hembrey via mobile 9:32 AM
03-23-2012, 10:08 AM #13
Here we go...
RaffertyLFP: Jury has been brought in. McClintic is back on the stand. [via Twitter]Justice for Holly Bobo🎀
03-23-2012, 10:10 AM #14
RaffertyLFP: Defence lawyer playing Necro song. Lyrics- "when it comes to inflicting pain I am creative." [via Twitter]Justice for Holly Bobo🎀
03-23-2012, 10:11 AM #15
RaffertyLFP: More Necro lyrics - " I got a garbage bag with your name written on it." [via Twitter]Justice for Holly Bobo🎀
03-23-2012, 10:14 AM #16
RaffertyLFP: Another Necro song "Dead body disposal" played for jury. [via Twitter]Justice for Holly Bobo🎀
03-23-2012, 10:15 AM #17
Morning! Happy Friday... well, thought that may help! :-)
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03-23-2012, 10:15 AM #18
Cross-examination of Terri-Lynne McClintic continues. Rafferty's defence lawyer, Dirk Derstine, is playing songs she listened to by Necro
One Necro song has a chorus: "I got a garbage bag with your name written on it." (Necro is a hip-hop artist with lyrics about torture.)Justice for Holly Bobo🎀
03-23-2012, 10:17 AM #19
RaffertyLFP: McClintic said she wasn't listening to song when she walked up to school day Tori Stafford abducted. [via Twitter]Justice for Holly Bobo🎀
03-23-2012, 10:18 AM #20
RaffertyLFP: McClintic said she listened to Necro when she was angry. Next song to be played "No remorse." [via Twitter]Justice for Holly Bobo🎀
03-23-2012, 10:21 AM #21
RaffertyLFP: McClintic answering questions in a monotone. [via Twitter]Justice for Holly Bobo🎀
03-23-2012, 10:21 AM #22
The defence is playing another song by death rapper Necro. It is called Garbage Bag and it describes a violent murder and the chorus says that there is a garbage bag with your "name written on it." The lyrics are similar to McClintic's letters written when she was in a youth facility during 2007 and 2008, which described the hypothetical torture and murder of a person.
Derstine plays another song called Dead Body Disposal and Derstine suggests the lyrics are similar to McClintic's writings. She agrees and says she had Necro on her iPod around the time of Tori's disappearance. McClintic says she listened to the artist when she was angry.
by Jon Hembrey
Rafferty is peering intently at the lyrics of the songs as the defence continues to play more.
by Jon Hembrey 10:20 AM
03-23-2012, 10:23 AM #23
McClintic isn't sure if she listened to the latest song when Tori went missing. Derstine reminds her about her Facebook page.
New song includes lyric "Nothing like a dead pastor, splattered all over concrete like plaster"
Also... "You'll live as long as I let you." McClintic sighs when the song ends. Says she posted it on Facebook."The dead cannot cry out for justice; it is a duty of the living to do so for them."
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03-23-2012, 10:23 AM #24
RaffertyLFP: Necro song McClintic posted on Facebook - the dispensation of Life and Death. [via Twitter]Justice for Holly Bobo🎀
03-23-2012, 10:24 AM #25
Other Necro songs played in the courtroom: "Eat ***** and Die", "No Remorse".
Plays another Necro song. Lyrics give instructions of how to dispose of a dead body
McClintic says she wasn't listening to Necro. She says she did not have the intention of walking a child to her death."The dead cannot cry out for justice; it is a duty of the living to do so for them."
★★★★★ ღ♥Lois McMaster Bujold♥ღ ★★★★★
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