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    Quote Originally Posted by SuziQ View Post
    Can I ask why you think that? I'm not being snarky. I'm very interested and trying to understand where you are coming from.

    And let me add an ETA: I do think it's possible that TM fought GZ, but only for self defense. He was trying to get away. Why would he turn around pursue GZ.
    I could very easily see a scenario in which TM was mad that he was being followed and started the fight. If GZ just wanted to kill a black kid, I doubt he would have called the cops and then allowed it to escalate into a fight. I also think TM easily could have ran away from GZ given their differences in size. Finally there was the witness who said TM was on top of GZ during the fight and GZ did sustain injuries. I doubt GZ would have just shot him unless he felt it was necessary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vlpate View Post
    BEM: Please provide a link for his "stalking" this neighborhood since 2009. TIA
    His 911 transcripts.

    http://marinadedave.com/journal/2012...on-martin.html

    It is my opinion that George Zimmerman stalked/looked for trouble for years around the entire area of Sanford, Florida. IMO, I am surprised that this didn't happen sooner.
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    HA! I think credibility will be a huge

    issue here...for obvious reasons. When something doesn't make any sense it likely isn't true. I'm only an in house attorney but I am involved in lots of corporate investigations for internal and external fraud. I've learned alot from our investigators, the secret service, FBI etc in ferreting out the truth from people who have the incentive to lie. Most lies come undone because they produce inconsistencies or require a belief in illogical or convoluted actions. The truth is generally a simple story.




    Quote Originally Posted by LolaMoon08 View Post
    Does anyone really believe that Trayvon jumped out and attacked George Zimmerman as he was walking back to his truck (after checking for the name of a street sign in a neighborhood he had stalked since 2009)?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiki View Post
    Many of my students had dark skin themselves and the problem of printing the photos so the faces were recognizable was a topic of discussion at many staff meetings. These were photos of honor students, student athletes, student leaders and staff members. The production team members were very happy when the administration allowed them to purchase PhotoShop for the production computers so that readers could see the features of their fellow students' faces.

    Sure - I guess the some of the students who produced the paper could have have had some other reason. Can't think what it would be - but I guess you can read something sinister into any act if you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LolaMoon08 View Post
    According to temporarily resigned Police Chief Bill Lee, Zimmerman jumped out of his truck to jot down a street address to give to 911 dispatchers and Trayvon jumped him from behind?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1371635.html

    We all know Zimmerman didn't jump out of the car to jot down a street address because he stated to the dispatcher, when asked if he was following Tray, he says "yep." After Zimmerman said Tray ran.
    That of course is not the only possible scenario. Trayvon could have doubled back and I doubt GZ would have been able to get close to him unless Trayvon allowed it. As we keep hearing, he outweighs TM, a football player, by 100 lbs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiki View Post
    Many of my students had dark skin themselves and the problem of printing the photos so the faces were recognizable was a topic of discussion at many staff meetings. These were photos of honor students, student athletes, student leaders and staff members. The production team members were very happy when the administration allowed them to purchase PhotoShop for the production computers so that readers could see the features of their fellow students' faces.

    Sure - I guess the some of the students who produced the paper could have have had some other reason. Can't think what it would be - but I guess you can read something sinister into any act if you want.

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    I may have misread your meaning. I thought you were saying the only reason the newspaper in this case lightened the photo was for innocent purposes. I may have misunderstood.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IzzyBlanche View Post
    I have really heard everything now.

    Friend Suggests Zimmerman Used ‘Term Of Endearment,’ Not Racial Slur, Before Killing Trayvon Martin

    http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...of-endearment/
    Wow...

    I've never heard the term "goon" used as an endearing term. This friend is going to look absolutely stupid when the tape is analyzed.

    I'm also VERY offended that the lawyer has trotted out a token "black friend" to go on the defensive. JMO MOO IMO


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    Quote Originally Posted by Inabsentia View Post
    Songline, if he was acting as a Watch person, if in fact, as you maintain, he had a duty to do so, then did he not also have a duty to follow the rules of the Neighborhood Watch organization? I don't think you should be able to cloak yourself in the authority of an organization while flagrantly flouting it's rules.

    I find it significant that Zimmerman does not identify himself as a member of the Neighborhood Watch to the dispatcher when he calls. Or at least nowhere I could find. I also find it significant that Chief Lee stresses that George was on a personal errand at the time of the incident. Moo

    http://news.yahoo.com/george-zimmerm...141231964.html
    We don't in fact know the HOA even has written rules for their watch program? And even if they do they could be very poorly written they may make no mention of forbidding the carrying of a firearm while on patrol... Just sayin'

    However, if what the Chief of SP says is true this gives Mr. Zimmerman much more latitude as a private citizen. As he would not be bound by any such rules of the Neighborhood watch...

    Nonetheless, I agree he should announced who he was and why he was seeking to speak with Mr. Martin. However we don't in fact know that he didn't do that just before the face to face confrontation...

    There is just way too much mystery surrounding this incident and little to no facts available to know what really happened. I've said this over and over again, I think in the end we're going to be faced with the sad reality, that this was a tragedy cultivated by missteps and errors on both individuals part... Each thinking the other was out to get them and that lead to many mistakes. But that's what happens when we teach people to be overly suspicious and paranoid.
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    I think 46 complaint calls to LE over such a short period of time gives us an idea of what GZ's motivation was.


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    Quote Originally Posted by HiHater View Post
    Wow...

    I've never heard the term "goon" used as an endearing term. This friend is going to look absolutely stupid when the tape is analyzed.

    I'm also VERY offended that the lawyer has trotted out a token "black friend" to go on the defensive. JMO MOO IMO
    It's not fair to call him a token friend imo. What are you basing that on? Again, it seems to be all about minimizing anything that paints GZ in any positive light.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Horace Finklestein View Post
    I may have misread your meaning. I thought you were saying the only reason the newspaper in this case lightened the photo was for innocent purposes. I may have misunderstood.
    I was just answering a question from the previous thread about photographing dark skinned people by use of my personal experience. It was the only reason my students altered their photos. Perhaps that was unclear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LambChop View Post
    I think all the reports and witness statements claim TM was lying face down and GZ was pressing on his back while straddling his body. So TM wasn't found on his back.
    You are correct -- sorry, I was typing so fast I missed that! I will go above and correct it in my original post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vlpate View Post
    BEM: Please provide a link for his "stalking" this neighborhood since 2009. TIA
    How long had he been a neighborhood watchman? Maybe that is what is being referenced.

    If it had been since 2009, then that would make sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LambChop View Post
    I think all the reports and witness statements claim TM was lying face down and GZ was pressing on his back while straddling his body. So TM wasn't found on his back.
    I can't think of how he landed in this position unless he was shot in the back while running away. Wonder why the autopsy hasn't been released? I find that suspicious. There is something that they don't want getting out there. IMO
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    Quote Originally Posted by beach View Post
    How long had he been a neighborhood watchman? Maybe that is what is being referenced.

    If it had been since 2009, then that would make sense.
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