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    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    We could say the same thing about MTR.

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    We could. We could also say the same thing about you and me. Don't know about you, but neither I nor MTR has a record.
    TLM, on the other hand, is almost certainly a sociopath. There's no doubt in my mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swedie View Post
    The pair, with their stolen girl cargo, then hit the 401 Highway and headed east on a bizarre trip first to Guelph, Ont., where Rafferty allegedly stopped to buy some Percocet pills from a friend and then went to an ATM, and McClintic bought a hammer and green garbage bags at a Home Depot, and then into Wellington County and the countryside.

    More damning evidence brought forward for the jurors to weigh in on. This new evidence today, the jurors will be not be struggling to figure this case out thus far. The Crown has laid this case out so crisp and clean, simple to follow. Not bringing in a bunch of useless nonsense, turning it into a soap opera; keeping everything on the rails and real. GREAT JOB CROWN!

    Once again the defense has nothing from these two witness today to help their client.


    The video cameras ubiquitous in the modern world, Gowdey said, caught Rafferty at the ATM, and McClintic at the Home Depot.

    Tori wasn't seen on any of the video, but she was indisputably in the car: Her DNA was later found in blood detected on the rear passenger door of the Civic.

    In one spot, on a gym bag found in the car, Tori's blood was mixed with Rafferty's.



    Read more: http://www.canada.com/news/Blatchfor...#ixzz1qNbPzMgA
    Respectfully, it would be really helpful if you could indicate in your post which parts are quotes from the media and which are your own opinions and comments. Otherwise, it gets pretty confusing. There is a "wrap quotes" option above that's for this purpose. Or even quotation marks would make it clearer. HTH and TIA

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    Maybe I am just over tired...but if TML got out of the car and went into the Home Depot and MR got out and went to the ATM machine...did they just leave little Tori alone in the back seat under a coat???

    That makes no sense to me at all!

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    Quote Originally Posted by antiquegirl View Post
    Percocets, not Oxys. If BA wasn't asked how much she was paid, there's no way to know.

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    I understand that you are clarifying the difference, however percs have the same base drug as Oxycontin (which is Oxycodone).However percs have ASA mixed in, to reduce swelling in injuries.While Percs have 5mg of Oxycodone,Oxycontin can contain 10 to 80 mg of the base drug Oxycodone. If enough percs are ingested they will have the same affect as Oxycontins however they may have a stomache ache due to the ASA (which is an undesirable side effect). Oxycontin addicts will settle for percs if supply is low. So it is basically the same difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by captaincanada View Post
    These actions suggest the defence is plausible.

    If MR really had planned the abduction:

    (1) He would have already had the garbage bags and hammer with him. To suggest he made TLM get these items to cover for himself is too risky. If he was that smart he would have known he would be caught on tape.
    (2) He would not have stopped for drugs.
    (3) He would not have gone to Tim Horton's and risk getting caught.

    Now, if TLM had taken Tori with her and told MR that she was babysitting Tori perhaps and/or did not give MR any intentions of what SHE planned, then:

    (1) She would have stopped to get tea at Tim Horton's.
    (2) She would be okay with MR stopping to get drugs.
    (3) She could have lied to MR about Home Depot and said she had to pick something up.
    Or it just suggests he is a drug addict with sick fantasies who did not think out the whole abduction? I just do not buy that it was all TLM and he was an innocent by-standard. Stopping at Timmies could have been his way of grounding himself, perhaprs even wishing to be caught before he commited his offensive act? After not being caught he went to go get drugs to alter his thought process, to be able to go through with what he knows is a sick disgusting fantasy? Just because he did these things IMO does not mean he did not know they were wrong and perhaps he was trying to stop himself, gain control and then when all else failed numb himself to commit the act.
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    Is there a hell for hell? If so there are 4 Canadians who belong there.
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    PERCS vs OXY's: Information

    Quote Originally Posted by Alison View Post
    I understand that you are clarifying the difference, however percs have the same base drug as Oxycontin (which is Oxycodone).However percs have ASA mixed in, to reduce swelling in injuries.While Percs have 5mg of Oxycodone,Oxycontin can contain 10 to 80 mg of the base drug Oxycodone. If enough percs are ingested they will have the same affect as Oxycontins however they may have a stomache ache due to the ASA (which is an undesirable side effect). Oxycontin addicts will settle for percs if supply is low. So it is basically the same difference.
    It's hard to get inside the head of a drug addict. JMO I asked a physician and got this response on the difference between Oxy and Percocet:

    "Oxycontin is a slow release version of percocet - percocet is oxycodone with acetaminophen (tylenol)
    Oxycontin is just oxycodone in a slow release resin - thats why they chew them or dissolve in coca-cola to get it out all at once"

    Also JMO: Could be the reason they stopped at Timmies--OR they were just thirsty? I also wonder if there is video evidence of Tim Horton's stop?

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    Not ALL Full time Workers Have Drug Benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Alice Ramnit View Post
    Percocets would be covered by her extended health care plan. I imagine that she had one since she was working full-time?
    If the pills were for his mother

    One thing that is certain about drug addicts---they all tell lies about their addictions! And JMO--every adult in this case was some form of addict: JG, TM, TLM, MTR and now BA (?) JMO the reason why TM was in the hot seat in the first place was her own lies about her addiction, her daily 1pm with lack of emotion masked by her use of OXY---this stalled the investigation and cast so much suspicion on both TM and JG that it's painful. But it shows that all drug addicts will lie about their addiction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    Is he checking his phone or texting while at the ATM? I wonder if he was texting to BA about the drug buy? Kind of a conicidence that the sum is $400.

    Thanks London Free Press for all the extra effort in covering Victoria's case.



    Michael Rafferty is seen on a surveillance tape from a Woodstock bank taking out cash just after 11 a.m. April 8, 2009. A jury in his first-degree murder trial heard testimony he arranged to buy drugs later that day in Guelph.

    According to bank receipts presented Tuesday, Rafferty took out $400 from a BMO branch in Woodstock about 11:10 a.m. April 8, 2009.

    During that same morning, he texted her to arrange a drug buy, Armstrong testified.

    http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/r.../19557676.html
    He's using his phone, whether he's checking the time, sending a text, dialing, the battery is in and likely pinging. JMO. EDIT: I see this is from Woodstock and I thought this surveillance was from the ATM in Guelph.
    Last edited by matou; 03-28-2012 at 07:21 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matou View Post
    He's using his phone, whether he's checking the time, sending a text, dialing, the battery is in and likely pinging. JMO EDIT: I see this is from Woodstock and not from Guelph.
    Hmmm there goes the theory that only TLM was using his phone during the key times.

    Re:Edit: Might be the cam but that sure is one malevolent looking photo! IMO
    As always, JMO

    Evil is; as evil does.


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    If MR had $400 and he bought the drugs for $300 from BA, why did he need to go to the ATM again for $80 (originally he wanted to take out more money). He should have had enough. Maybe he filled up with gas? Maybe he bought some lunch? Maybe he bought more drugs than what was disclosed by BA. Didn't BA say, she remembers it being $300? Maybe she didn't remember so well. She doesn't exactly know how many pills she sold him either. JMO

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    Wednesday marks the start of "Chapter Four," which will deal with the alleged events and evidence from the crime scene near Mount Forest. It promises to take significantly longer, although its first day will be a short one.

    http://www.newstalk1010.com/News/loc...tryID=10364705

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    [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7729456#post7729456"]trial thread: 3/28/2012 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

    here is the new thread... move on over
    This bee my opinion

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