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    • Carnegie finished with his questions. None from Derstine. Done for the day.

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    • We'll resume Friday at 10 a.m.

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    Done for the day?
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    • Court is recessed until Friday - will not sit tomorrow. Expert forensic witnesses expected to start testifying Friday

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    45 minutes? Why bother getting the jury there for this when they could've done it on Friday. This is ridiculous!
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    Quote Originally Posted by matou View Post
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    • Court is shown more photos of Sideroad 6 to point out exactly where shoes were found near lilac bushes, pylon indicates exact location
    if one thrown away..then other one could still be out there?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamille View Post
    Yes but no description of the other shoe she threw away?
    Yes, that's pretty weird, IMO. Neither the Crown nor Derstine asked for any info about the other shoe. Not even how close it was found to the Shaq pair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ~n/t~ View Post
    Done for the day?
    My sentiments exactly!
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    Quote Originally Posted by snoofer View Post
    if one thrown away..then other one could still be out there?
    If a pair were thrown out at the same time, it wouldn't have been very far from the single one found. I'm sure LE searched very thoroughly. Had they found it, though, I think today would have been the time to mention it.

    Such perfunctory questioning about important evidence. Well, about everything. I find it so odd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by antiquegirl View Post
    Yes, that's pretty weird, IMO. Neither the Crown nor Derstine asked for any info about the other shoe. Not even how close it was found to the Shaq pair.
    Yes...it could be totally irrelevant but you'd think they'd establish that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~n/t~ View Post
    Done for the day?
    My sentiments exactly!

    omg she washed the sneaks and tossed away the shoe!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ~n/t~ View Post
    45 minutes? Why bother getting the jury there for this when they could've done it on Friday. This is ridiculous!
    They said Friday would be a very full day. Probably no time for this and I think they're trying to keep everything in chronological order. At least the jury is from London, if I'm not mistaken. I feel sorry for the reporters that drove in from Toronto and maybe further for just 50 minutes of testimony.

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    Quote Originally Posted by antiquegirl View Post
    If a pair were thrown out at the same time, it wouldn't have been very far from the single one found. I'm sure LE searched very thoroughly. Had they found it, though, I think today would have been the time to mention it.

    Such perfunctory questioning about important evidence. Well, about everything. I find it so odd.

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    Maybe someone else found the other shoe?
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    Quote Originally Posted by snoofer View Post
    if one thrown away..then other one could still be out there?
    Well if it's relevant and it was still out there and LE couldn't find it then I would be very disappointed in our OPP.

    Could have been a flip flop or a high heeled pump so then it wouldn't be relevant but I would think they would establish that. If I was on the jury I'd be scratching my head right now about that shoe. Why mention it and not talk about it?

    Heck I'm not even on the jury and I'm scratching my head about that

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    hummmm.... Perhaps MR went back and only found one shoe because "Lillian" had already picked up the other single shoe and TLM's pr.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~n/t~ View Post
    45 minutes? Why bother getting the jury there for this when they could've done it on Friday. This is ridiculous!
    The court has to balance efficiency and information overload. Plus, this isn't the only case the court is handling - it still has to deal with other things as well. Could be there's off the record haggling going on with the judge, or other cases that the judge needs to deal with. In a fairly large murder trial I observed last year, there would be days where the jury was in for only the morning, but the afternoon was still jam packed with other things behind the scenes in the courtroom with the case, and with the judge handling arraignments and other matters for other cases. Time doesn't just stop when a big trial happens - the court does have to continue its other functions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamille View Post
    Well if it's relevant and it was still out there and LE couldn't find it then I would be very disappointed in our OPP.

    Could have been a flip flop or a high heeled pump so then it wouldn't be relevant but I would think they would establish that. If I was on the jury I'd be scratching my head right now about that shoe. Why mention it and not talk about it?

    Heck I'm not even on the jury and I'm scratching my head about that

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    ITA. They should have established it.

    I used to do a lot of driving around - both in Toronto and out of town. Never failed to surprise me how many single and even pairs of shoes I'd see on the road and off to the side of the road. Lots and lots of them. Never understood the phenomenon except to think they fell off the backs of pick-up trucks, or kids threw them out the window.

    IF the single shoe found by Lillian was one of the pair belonging to MTR, it shouldn't have been far from the missing one. Anyone searching for it should have found it, whether it was LE or MTR himself. If it had been MTR, he would have also picked up the one found by Lillian. So, I suspect this single, missing shoe had no relation to the Shaq pair, which is why no more was said about it. Frustrating for us, but unimportant to the investigation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by giantalkinghead View Post
    hummmm.... Perhaps MR went back and only found one shoe because "Lillian" had already picked up the other single shoe and TLM's pr.

    MOO
    That's possible, but then why didn't the Crown ask Lillian to describe the one she found and its proximity to the Shaq pair? If there had been the remotest possibility that it was MTR's shoe, I think more info would have been heard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snoofer View Post
    My sentiments exactly!

    omg she washed the sneaks and tossed away the shoe!
    Well, that now explains how clean they were and the presence of the shopping bag.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor Bug View Post
    RaffertyLFP: Based on information from Terri-Lynne McClintic Scoyne said police mounted more intensive search of Sideroad 6 starting May 21, 2009

    Court shown aerial view of Sideroad 6 in relation to Home Depot in Guelph

    Scoyne said police obtained Shaq shoes found by Metcalfe on May 30

    Scoyne says Metcalfe had the shoes in a plastic grocery bag. Police eventually seized them. They were told Metcalfe cleaned the shoes

    Scoyne points out that shoes were laced in peculiar fashion, tucked behind tongue

    In earlier testimony McClintic said she tied her shoes in that fashion
    So the woman cleaned the shoes so she could donate them to the Sally Ann. When I clean running shoes, I remove the laces and throw everything in the washing machine. Obviously, she didn't even unlace them. It's possible forensics did find DNA, since they were only cleaned superficially. We will see. However, TLM has already confessed to kicking Tori and lacing her shoes that particular way. Nothing new here, just confirming what we've learned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snoofer View Post
    My sentiments exactly!

    omg she washed the sneaks and tossed away the shoe!

    My sentiments as well ! Leaves me to wonder though... they couldn't have had any obvious signs of blood on them. Firstly, who finds and the WASHES blood soaked shoes ??? Secondly, if there "HAD" been obvious blood on the shoes -- certainly the Crown would have asked their witness !! One would hope anyhow !

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    The Crown will have to delay the rest of its testimony for this part of the trial because it is moving along "ahead of schedule" says Attorney Michael Carnegie. They have experts booked to testify at certain times and are unable to move those availabilities up.
    http://www.newstalk1010.com/blog/mic...tryID=10364706

    Lots of evidence posted on that blog too. HTH

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    Quote Originally Posted by antiquegirl View Post
    ITA. They should have established it.

    I used to do a lot of driving around - both in Toronto and out of town. Never failed to surprise me how many single and even pairs of shoes I'd see on the road and off to the side of the road. Lots and lots of them. Never understood the phenomenon except to think they fell off the backs of pick-up trucks, or kids threw them out the window.

    IF the single shoe found by Lillian was one of the pair belonging to MTR, it shouldn't have been far from the missing one. Anyone searching for it should have found it, whether it was LE or MTR himself. If it had been MTR, he would have also picked up the one found by Lillian. So, I suspect this single, missing shoe had no relation to the Shaq pair, which is why no more was said about it. Frustrating for us, but unimportant to the investigation.

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    Maybe something was said but it was missed in the tweets? Like the other shoe was found half a mile away or something. And was a ladies dress shoe or something. No idea how far Lillian walks LOL. Not a lot of reporters out there today. Will have to watch for the news articles. Sometimes they fill in stuff that the tweets don't.

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    There were so many shoes, boots clothing and other items that were flagged by searchers from Woodstock, to Guelph, Fergus Cambridge all along hiway 6 and through to Mount Forest.

    That undertaking alone of having to go through all the flagged items was immense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamille View Post
    Maybe something was said but it was missed in the tweets? Like the other shoe was found half a mile away or something. And was a ladies dress shoe or something. No idea how far Lillian walks LOL. Not a lot of reporters out there today. Will have to watch for the news articles. Sometimes they fill in stuff that the tweets don't.

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    Sometime in March April 2009 she went for a walk near her home can't recall exact day
    We know she couldn't have found them in March, so have to assume it was early April.

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    Metcalfe was contacted on Sat May 30 by police.They were searching the area. She told police that she had found the shoes
    She intended to give them to charity, but still had them in that shopping bag almost two months after finding them. What a lucky break for LE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by giantalkinghead View Post
    My sentiments as well ! Leaves me to wonder though... they couldn't have had any obvious signs of blood on them. Firstly, who finds and the WASHES blood soaked shoes ??? Secondly, if there "HAD" been obvious blood on the shoes -- certainly the Crown would have asked their witness !! One would hope anyhow !

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