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    Quote Originally Posted by tehcloser View Post
    You don't know that there was no mention of blood on his clothes......we have not seen all the LE reports yet, so to say there was no mention is just speculation also. But that's kinda what we do here while waiting for more facts.
    I do know that there was no mention of blood on his clothes on the initial police report. I read it. That's what I was talking about.

    I understand we all speculate. Because we can't know ANY of this for sure until the evidence is released for public consumption.

    I can only say what I read. The report that I read, that was titiled the initial police report did not mention blood on his clothes.

    Does that mean there was none? Who knows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob774 View Post
    Somebody knows some good Photoshop!!!
    Because i don't see this on the video...

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    "It's been clear from day one that the contradicting statements from the family members are not the truth," said Capt. Johnny Greenwood, spokesman for the Putnam County Sheriff's Office.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rotterdam View Post
    I saw Anderson Cooper last nite and almost barfed when Jose Baez came on and it got worse when Jose opened his mouth. Why on earth would CNN have him as a talking head. I thought he was radioactive. I am so t'd at Anderson and CNN. Jose is more like Fox material.
    I hope the Zimmerman family will not get him as an attorney if GZ does get charged. Unless they do not care about their son.
    I personally have never seen Jose on Fox.

    But I have seen him numerous times on HLN. Isn't that CNN Headline News?
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    Quote Originally Posted by daisy7 View Post
    IMO, there would still be some blood from the entry wound.
    That's why I said "much at all". Some, but not much. I'm still looking for the link.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnaTeresa View Post
    And furthermore, shaved head /= skinhead. There are plenty of men with shaved heads of all races - closely cropped hair does not denote skinhead, racist tendencies. I'm surprised that anyone would look at Zimmerman and jump to skinhead, to be honest. Google "skinhead" and see what you come up with - it's not anyone looking like Zimmerman. He lacks many of the characteristics of skinheads.

    While I think its safe to say that TM would be apprehensive of someone following him, I don't think it's fair to say that TM would assume GZ was a skinhead because of his hair.
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    I don't think Kimberly was saying that Trayvon would assume that. I think she was just saying that would be racial profiling as well. That's how I took it anyhow. :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimberlyd125 View Post
    This is the original post I was referring to:



    This was my response:





    Nowhere have I ever said TM was a racist.
    I wish I never posted that and am sorry if I offended somebody


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    Quote Originally Posted by AnaTeresa View Post
    And furthermore, shaved head /= skinhead. There are plenty of men with shaved heads of all races - closely cropped hair does not denote skinhead, racist tendencies. I'm surprised that anyone would look at Zimmerman and jump to skinhead, to be honest. Google "skinhead" and see what you come up with - it's not anyone looking like Zimmerman. He lacks many of the characteristics of skinheads.

    While I think its safe to say that TM would be apprehensive of someone following him, I don't think it's fair to say that TM would assume GZ was a skinhead because of his hair.
    I totally agree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pinkflamingo View Post
    We have to remember that GZ thought TM had a weapon. So, in a struggle, GZ shot him. I am sure that he was stunned after it happened, that is why he didn't respond to the people immediately or try to give medical assistance. I am sure he was absolutely dazed, after both men fought for their lives. Tray was 6'3 football player, wearing big clothes. He must have looked enormous. It's a tragic situation but really, if a huge guy who you thought had a weapon, was fighting with you, and you had a gun, who wouldn't try to shoot? I am sure if TM had a weapon as well, this situation may have turned out differently.
    If there was a struggle, which we do not know for 100% fact, there should have never been one. Zimmerman should have never followed Trayvon to begin with.


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    Quote Originally Posted by claudicici View Post
    I honestly don't know which way a body would fall if shot at close range?

    IF Trayvon was on top of Z would the force of the gun make him fall forward or backward?
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    In order to respond to the question posed in this comment, I’ve done a little searching around this morning, out of curiosity, regarding the TYPE of gun used to kill this boy. I went to a couple of gun sites that I’m familiar with and found that this was the weapon being carried around by Zimmerman as he pursued Trayvon Martin.



    The neighborhood watch captain was carrying a Kel Tec PF-9 on that fateful night. For those who aren’t familiar with it, the PF-9 is a slender, highly concealable 7+1 9mm pistol.

    It has been reported that the gun was recovered with a full magazine and that only the chambered round had been fired. This is a condition we associate with something preventing the gun from cycling a fresh round from the magazine into the chamber after the shot was discharged. One thing that can cause that is another man’s hand wrapped around the pistol, retarding its slide mechanism.

    http://backwoodshome.com/blogs/Massa...-we-dont-know/
    Not being familiar with this particular gun, I read 3 reviews and was only mildly surprised to find it described using terms of “pocket nine”, “ petite pistol”, and “tiny niney”.

    The question posed in the comment I am responding to was a result of a couple of posts I have put up regarding Zimmerman’s stories of being attacked by Trayvon versus the position the body was found in.

    “IF Trayvon was on top of Z, would the force of the gun make him fall forward or backward?”

    To answer this question, after reading the above, please watch a few moments of this video:

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fW8TtAyF6YA&feature=player_embedded"]DonFiringKelTecPF9.AVI - YouTube[/ame]

    Zimmerman’s little gun, while certainly capable of death and destruction, was not capable of lifting a 5lb bag of groceries and spinning it 180 degrees, much less a 6’ tall, 160 lb young man with his entire life ahead of him.

    Trayvon Martin, dropped where he was shot. IMO, the position of his body as found, negates Zimmerman’s false claims of being beaten by this young man.


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    Quote Originally Posted by imamaze View Post
    I have a question and its probably been posted somewhere but would appreciate if someone knows to post it again?

    Is GZ saying he was on his back on the ground fighting with Trayvon and Trayvon was on top of him when he was shot?

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    yes, that is the story that we have gotten although we have not seen any official sworn statement it has been repeated first by Chief Lee, then by the friends of George Zimmerman who have been on every show that would have them.

    That while attempting to break off following and return to his car George Zimmerman was confronted by Trayvon and with one punch knocked him to the ground breaking his nose, and then jumped on top of him and proceeded to beat his head on the concrete or on he ground, and that is when he shot him (after yelling help help and so forth as heard on the 911 call)


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    Quote Originally Posted by rotterdam View Post
    I wish I never posted that and am sorry if I offended somebody
    I don't think you need to be sorry at all.
    I'm not trying to railroad you.

    I'm just trying to make a point.

    Do you see how that portion of the post can been seen as racial profiling?

    I was not accusing YOU of racial profiling. Just your example in the post.
    I was not accusing TM of racial profiling. Just the example in the post.

    We all have our opinions.

    But I think it is important for us ALL to realize that racism is bad. ALL RACISM.

    JMO

    Can you imagine how nice this world would be if racism didn't exist?
    But it does. In more than one race.

    I wish it would stop.
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    Why not? He was acting suspiciously according to GZ, and was staring at all the houses as he was walking down the sidewalk. He had his hands at his waistband, as if he had a weapon. I would be scared for my life had I seen either of these men, quite frankly. How many burglaries had happened in this neighborhood? < mod snip > I am convinced that he was acting suspicious and GZ was doing what he thought was best to protect the neighborhood.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopeful One View Post
    Could it not be a random patchy balding pattern? Or a birthmark?
    Possible, but I wouldn't think his attention would of been drawn to it for more than a beat if there wasn't a cut or abrasion. It could of been something as simple as scratches.


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    Quote Originally Posted by cityslick View Post
    I agree that nothing we have heard or seen warrants the use of deadly force in this case. To me, even if there was a fight, it still doesn't warrant deadly force, because TM wasn't armed with anything lethal. I was thinking about it though, the slight out here for GZ is this (I don't believe this happened, just playing devils advocate). What if TM saw the gun and tried to reach for it. There would be no way to prove that of course, unless his (TM's) fingerprint is on it somehow.
    Well for good measure, you can also add "I am going to kill you" that per GZ's dad, Tray told GZ while giving him some apparent minor injuries. Combined together that could make a person fear for his life. His dad also added that GZ was trying to move the fight to the grass ,so his head would not be hitting the concrete pavement repeatedly.. And I guess that explains why Tray's body was not located in a spot closer to the concrete . My, all angles are covered.


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    Just a general food for thought post:

    My grammy always told me this and I passed it to my kids - always telling them.



    You NEVER get a SECOND CHANCE to make a FIRST impression.



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