03-30-2012, 12:09 PM #1
FL 17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #11
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03-30-2012, 12:13 PM #2
Clarification of WS stance regarding the "victim friendly" issue.
I had a discussion with the owners about how we were to deal with this. This is what I was advised:
At this point in the investigation we don't KNOW exactly who ALL the victims are now. We KNOW that Trayvon is a victim, because he is dead. However, news breaks and new leaks come forth everyday and it is still unclear whether Zimmerman was a victim of any violence. Until more verifiable FACTS are available, WS has chosen to err on the side of treating both the confirmed (Trayvon) AND potential (Zimmerman), both as victims.
Like I said, that may change after we have more verifiable information
Hope that helps clear this up.
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03-30-2012, 12:16 PM #3
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03-30-2012, 12:19 PM #4
Thank you for determining at the this time all should be considered victims.
And I want to remind everyone looking a past photos doesn't shed light on anything.
Ted Bundy fooled many with his good looks and charm.
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03-30-2012, 12:24 PM #5
I re-read what your post was and maybe this is what you meant.
No, at the point in the example - dude breaking into neighbor's window - me with gun (let's say in my driveway) and I yell "STOP - I HAVE A GUN" - no, I'm really not in fear of my life - not at that point. Why would I be - I have a gun and its trained right at the subject of that "deadly force".
Now, if example 2 and that person pulls his own gun - Imma duckin' - but I'm not going to return fire until he fires first and yes, I could very easliy end up dead - that happens everyday - I don't move quick enough and the dude gets off a lucky shot.
So, I guess my answer to your post was yes, you're right. I'm not in deadly fear of my life at that moment - which is also why I'm not pulling that trigger. Why would I be? Dude is across the street - trying to climb in through a window.
Is that what you were getting at?
03-30-2012, 12:25 PM #6
Here is the bio for the attorney that was contacted 2 days after he shooting....
And if you read his bio, I think it's safe to say, if this case wasn't about race to begin with, it sure was on day 2 when this man was contacted.
Mr. Crump is a frequent author and speaker. He has recently published an article entitled “The Police don’t shoot White Men in the Back, Representing Minority Victims in Police Brutality Cases."
IMO this is where the White vs. Black stuff started. Not that inaudible word GZ may or may not have said.
Everybody wants to call GZ a racist because of a word that we can't even hear clearly.
From that article, linked in the previous thread (I'll find it if y'all want a link) this attorney has been a big part of calling for rallies and protests.
Take this attorney, JJ, AS, and he Black Panthers, how is it not RACIAL???
03-30-2012, 12:26 PM #7
MIAMI (AP) -- The funeral director who oversaw slain Florida teenager Trayvon Martin's burial says the body bore no signs of a fight.
Richard Kurtz says there were no notable marks on Martin's hands, face or body other than the gunshot wound that killed him. Kurtz says he expected to see some marks if Martin had been in a fight.
Read more: http://www.wsvn.com/news/articles/lo...#ixzz1qcO83u7F
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03-30-2012, 12:28 PM #8Registered User
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I am not sure I understand how you can characterize TM as a "nice kid" because he looks sweet in the horseback riding photo or the one with the girl in the last thread, but on the flip side, you can be enraged at GZ for thinking the worst about seeing a strange boy walking around his neighborhood.
You are summing up based on the way someone looks just like GZ did, but this does not mean ANYTHING about character. Have you read TM's twitter accounts? He was not a nice kid imo.
03-30-2012, 12:29 PM #9Originally Posted by Wise Old Owl
784.021 Aggravated assault.—
(1) An “aggravated assault” is an assault:
(a) With a deadly weapon without intent to kill; or
(b) With an intent to commit a felony.
(2) Whoever commits an aggravated assault shall be guilty of a felony of the third degree,
790.053 Open carrying of weapons.—
(1) Except as otherwise provided by law and in subsection (2), it is unlawful for any person to openly carry on or about his or her person any firearm or electric weapon or device. It is not a violation of this section for a person licensed to carry a concealed firearm as provided in s. 790.06(1), and who is lawfully carrying a firearm in a concealed manner, to briefly and openly display the firearm to the ordinary sight of another person, unless the firearm is intentionally displayed in an angry or threatening manner, not in necessary self-defense.
(2) A person may openly carry, for purposes of lawful self-defense:
(a) A self-defense chemical spray.
(b) A nonlethal stun gun or dart-firing stun gun or other nonlethal electric weapon or device that is designed solely for defensive purposes.
(3) Any person violating this section commits a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
You are only justified to use deadly force in self defense (reasonable fear of death or great bodily harm) or to prevent a forcible felony. Burglary, by itself, is not a forcible felony. You could very well go to jail and never be allowed to carry a weapon again.
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03-30-2012, 12:33 PM #11
Speaking of suspensions...and what kids get them...
My entire Senior class was suspends for 3 days because of a prank against the rival football team that no one would own up to. Just because a suspension happens it's not always for something "bad"
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03-30-2012, 12:35 PM #14Registered User
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I am sorry, I am new to this case. Was there an autopsy?
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