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    trial thread: 4/02/2012

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    the crown will present its case in chapters:

    Chapter 1: The day of the kidnapping. The surveillance video showing Rafferty driving up the street outside Tori's school and McClintic walking Tori up the street. Witnesses from and around Oliver Stephens public school will talk about seeing Tori.
    An identification officer will use photographs and maps to show the route from Woodstock to Guelph.
    Tori's mother, Tara McDonald, will testify about the frantic hours the family spent looking for Tori.

    Chapter 2: Terri-Lynne McClintic. "She was an essential part of all that happened," Gowdey said. "I expect her credibility will be a major issue in this case."

    Chapter 3: Guelph -- video surveillance and bank records detailing the events there.

    Chapter 4: the Mount Forest death scene, which the jury will visit. "It will be difficult to go to the very place where this happened, I know that, but understanding the crime scene is crucial to understanding the crime," Gowdey said. Photographs, some of them graphic, will be used to explain "exactly how the killing happened."
    "Unfortunately it is only through them that you can fully understand (the) evidence," Gowdey said.

    Chapter 5: Police interaction with Rafferty.

    Chapter 6: The searches of Rafferty and McClintic's residences and the evidence found.

    Chapter 7: The Honda Civic. What was found inside.

    Chapter 8: Rafferty's connection to the Mount Forest area.

    Chapter 9: Comments Rafferty made to friends after April 8. "He had some interesting things to say to other people about Terri-Lynne McClintic and about the kidnapping itself," Gowdey said.

    Chapter 10: The May 15 weekend and Rafferty's actions.

    Chapter 11: The BlackBerry. The BlackBerry allowed police to track his movements April 8 and after.

    Chapter 12: A recap of the surveillance video.
    http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/r.../19463111.html

    Salem's warning from last week:
    Okay everybody - LISTEN UP! We are not bashing, accusing or blaming Tori's family here. It won't be allowed.
    Children walk home from school every day without incident. Parents are not perfect, it's just not possible. Tori's parents DID NOT do this to her. TLM and an accomplice DID. That is where the blame goes.
    We had a lot of family bashing in the early parts of this investigation after Tori went missing and a lot of baseless accusations - NONE OF WHICH PROVED TO BE TRUE. Victim and family bashing will not be allowed during this trial.
    Thank you,
    Salem

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    trial thread: 4/02/2012

    Sounds like it will be almost a full week, Monday through Thursday. Hopefully we will make some headway, here.

    Salem

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    Good Morning!

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    Rafferty jury visits crime scene

    The jury in the first-degree murder trial of Michael Rafferty will visit Monday the remote country spot where the body of eight-year-old Victoria 'Tori' Stafford was found.

    The small clearing among the trees and fields off Conc. Rd. 6 N south of Mount Forest is also the place, the Crown claims, where the Woodstock girl was raped and killed.

    Rafferty, 31, will also be visiting the scene, as will his lawyer, Crown attorneys, Justice Thomas Heeney and other court officials.

    Heeney told jurors Friday how to approach what they see.

    "What you see. . . is not evidence," he said. "However, you may find you are better able to understand the evidence given to you in court."
    http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/r.../19581526.html

    Does this mean no court today?
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    Quote Originally Posted by daisy.faithfull View Post
    I agree, I think those interactions will be very important. I'm really interested in what they might be able to tell us about the dynamics of their relationship. Was one the leader, one the follower is she threatening him? Its hard for me to believe that she would have revealed that much, you'd think someone with that much experience locked up would know they were being taped, but I'll guess we'll see.
    Maybe TLM was wired for sound, kwim.
    Rest in peace Tori, Tim and Jeremy.

    "On May 6th, the devil led the vilest form of evil down my driveway and it smiled at me before it took Tim away." Good always triumphs over evil. Keep the faith, justice will prevail. .

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    MR is going too? I wonder how he will behave while there? cry? stare at the ground? ugh...JMO

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    Avery Moore‏@AveryFreeFMNews

    I will not be tweeting from the #Rafferty trial as jurors head to the place Tori Stafford's body was found. Will be back in court tomorrow
    Justice for Holly Bobo🎀

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~n/t~ View Post
    Rafferty jury visits crime scene



    http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/r.../19581526.html

    Does this mean no court today?
    Looks like it.

    Don't know how much of a tweet by tweet the journalists selected to accompany the jurors could give us, if they're allowed to tweet, so maybe we'll just have news articles today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matou View Post
    MR is going too? I wonder how he will behave while there? cry? stare at the ground? ugh...JMO
    I'm not surprised. He gets a little time off from his cell. Maybe he'll get treated to a Timmie's breakfast.
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    The jury is expected to arrive at the site, which is about 2 1/2 hours away from the courthouse in London, Ont., around noon and the trial will resume with testimony Tuesday.
    http://www.globalnews.ca/canada/juro...909/story.html
    Justice for Holly Bobo🎀


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    Quote Originally Posted by matou View Post
    MR is going too? I wonder how he will behave while there? cry? stare at the ground? ugh...JMO
    Interesting. It's been stated in other reports that a few chosen members of the media will be present. I'm sure they will be watching his demeanor very closely. Thank you kindly ladies for being so dedicated and providing the tweets. <3
    Rest in peace Tori, Tim and Jeremy.

    "On May 6th, the devil led the vilest form of evil down my driveway and it smiled at me before it took Tim away." Good always triumphs over evil. Keep the faith, justice will prevail. .

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    Chilly but sunny day in Woodstock. 1 degree celcius (34 farenheit) now.
    http://www.theweathernetwork.com/ind...765&switchto=f

    Mount Forest

    http://www.theweathernetwork.com/weather/caon0454
    Last edited by ~n/t~; 04-02-2012 at 10:14 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daisy.faithfull View Post
    I agree, I think those interactions will be very important. I'm really interested in what they might be able to tell us about the dynamics of their relationship. Was one the leader, one the follower is she threatening him? Its hard for me to believe that she would have revealed that much, you'd think someone with that much experience locked up would know they were being taped, but I'll guess we'll see.
    From these Tweets, it seems they both knew their calls and visits would be monitored:

    AM980.ca‏@AM980_Court

    McClintic took a polygraph test on May 19th. Said she planned on lying. Days prior, she says Rafferty told her she did nothing wrong.
    Gerry Dewan ‏@GerryDewanCTV

    Derstine says having someone tell you don't worry you didn't do anything when you did something is kind of odd, isn it.
    Gerry Dewan ‏@GerryDewanCTV

    McClintic responds "on a phone that could be monitored."
    I doubt much except body language will reveal anything during their taped visits and phone calls. If they had, MTR would have been on LE's radar long before May 15th.

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    I hope Rafferty has to wear hand cuffs and shackles for this walk down memory lane
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    The timing for this trip is perfect since it coincides with the time of year Tori was murdered three years ago. The jury will be able to see roughly how the foliage was in early spring. JMO What was the temperature in Mount Forest for that day and evening? Around 4 degrees Celsius I think. On top of a hill could have made it feel colder but I suppose the rock pile could also serve as a wind break as well as an area to stay hidden somewhat. JMO

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