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    Quote Originally Posted by csziggy View Post
    I've been thinking GZ is either a psychic or a pyschopath. Toss to decide which!

    JMO.
    I think he's the baby of the family and has always been protected. I saw a video of the interview with his brother Robert and my first thought was he looks like Lee Anthony. Older brothers tend to feel responsible for their younger siblings. jmo


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    “I have never seen such an incompetent investigation,” said Walt Zalisko, a former Jersey City police commander who now owns a police management consulting company in Central Florida. “There are so many problems with this case. The problem up here is that officers receive very little training, and there is very little understanding of diversity issues.
    Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/2...#storylink=cpy

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    I couldn't agree more. I was fortunate to attend cultural diversity, empathy and nonviolent crisis intervention training when I worked in the Public school system. It was very helpful to me as we had a culturally diverse student population. There are a few points from this training that I can think of offhand in relation to this case.

    AA citizens are particular about their hair. (Tray took cover from the rain to pull up his hoodie over his hair.) Rain can wreak havoc on an AA persons hair regardless of the length. Another thing I learned is that the AA community is a very loyal to one another in times of grief or crisis. The whole community grieves together and supports one another during trying times. The 'black man code' does exist and I have experienced this firsthand but will spare you the personal story.

    Our Hispanic caucasian citizens don't have hangups about personal space and will address a person up close and personal. (a close talker so to speak) Life revolves around a close knit family unit. In contrast, European caucasians have an invisible personal space which may give the impression of being standoffish to other cultures. AA citizens have an invisible personal space but are quick to speak up if need be. It makes me wonder if Trayvon was following the 'code' by attempting to elude GZ and if GZ made TM feel if his personal space was violated and it escalated from there.

    I hope it isn't inappropriate to share this info because I don't mean for it to come off as profiling or racist or offensive. But in looking back at my notes I do wonder if this whole tragedy wasn't spawned from cultural misunderstanding and created the perfect storm.

    IMO, the Sanford LEA could benefit from diversity training. It certainly helped me to empathize with and understand my students.

    I am unable to share my materials because it is proprietary information so take this info
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    Quote Originally Posted by LambChop View Post
    Not always repeatedly. All they have to do is fear:

    “Credible threat” means a threat made with the intent to cause the person who is the target of the threat to reasonably fear for his or her safety. The threat must be against the life of, or a threat to cause bodily injury to, a person."

    That could be once. Clearly TM was GZ target and he was following him. jmo
    And it has to be malicious, repeated, and willful, per the stalking statute...


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    I wanted to bring this over from the last thread and respond:

    Originally Posted by Reader
    IF the girl heard the rest of what happened it may be VERY favorable to TM and they are giving that info for the FBI investigation. Why should they give out information publicly to GZ's lawyer?

    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...&postcount=650

    codecracker:
    GZ lawyer will get it reguardless. If GZ is charged they can't hide the evidence against him from his lawyer.
    I realize that the evidence will be under 'discovery' rules once a trial begins (hopefully), but that is not what I meant.

    The girl was traumatized by what happened and what she heard. Her parents want to keep her anonymous for as long as possible but have allowed this much to come out.

    Maybe she didn't hear anymore and maybe she heard it all until Trayvon was killed. Why should that information be given out PUBLICLY now when we don't even know if there will be a trial or not, and expose the girl to further stress? If she testifies at a trial there will be plenty of opportunity then to discuss it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by highflyer View Post
    I have no idea what the FBI has found on the 911 tape and am interested in finding out. While the spinners from both sides pat themselves on the back it does appear that GZ has had help in the past getting around things and has in this case too. Had TM's parents not spoken up this too would of been swept under the rug. This case deserves a real investigation, one devoid of emotion, prejudice, slap my hand and I'll slap yours and users trying to make a buck or promote their cause. To speak of the killer of a teenager getting rich off of ending his young life is repugnant. What a world.
    FBI was in the Sanford neighborhood today interviewing residents. Sounds like they did listen to the tape. jmo


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    Quote Originally Posted by Reader View Post
    I wanted to bring this over from the last thread and respond:



    I realize that the evidence will be under 'discovery' rules once a trial begins (hopefully), but that is not what I meant.

    The girl was traumatized by what happened and what she heard. Her parents want to keep her anonymous for as long as possible but have allowed this much to come out.

    Maybe she didn't hear anymore and maybe she heard it all until Trayvon was killed. Why should that information be given out PUBLICLY now when we don't even know if there will be a trial or not, and expose the girl to further stress? If she testifies at a trial there will be plenty of opportunity then to discuss it.
    I read her parents are trying to protect her.......gee, I wonder why???? jmo


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    Quote Originally Posted by LambChop View Post
    Mr. Martin said LE showed him where TM's body was lying on the ground. Why would LE lie to him? It's not hearsay if the officer showing him was there that night. jmo
    LC I am jumping off our post, not replying to it.
    IMHO talk about Mr. Martins account of his sonís last walk was given to him by police.
    SO...all of you are having a crazy conversation IMHO.
    It is hard enough for Mr. Martin to go there.
    He may have memorized it all word for word as the account was given,
    he may have also forgotten somethingís and is translating it based on how he is putting the piece together.
    HOW DOES IT MATTER WHAT HE SAYS about TMís last walk?
    He is hurt, and his account is not the account that will be heard at a trial.

    WHY are we dissecting his account of it all? At the worst he can be a touch off.
    Can someone explain WHY - is there any merit to it. Maybe I am missing something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by suzihawk View Post
    RBBM: "That morning"?! What morning? As in after the fact it was decided not to charge him?
    I would think he was there for hours so anytime after 12AM would be morning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by itsreenw View Post
    The wounds on the top of GZ's head could also be from TM being underneath GZ on the ground, and TM reaching up and on top of GZ's head to hit him to get him off of him.

    So do you honestly think GZ was following TM, then TM turned it into a game of hide and seek and started following GZ?

    Fact is, GZ did not know every resident or every invited visitor in the neighborhood.

    If he was worried for he and his wife's safety, why not stay home and protect his own property? Why go out in the neighborhood looking for 'suspects' (which IMO, is anyone that GZ felt shouldn't be there).

    There was no problem that night until GZ went looking for one.
    What I think is that we'll never know what happened that night. However, GZ's story is supported by the evidence. We can each decide whether to believe GZ is telling the truth or not. IMO, I just don't know and, with the evidence to date, I have to side with reasonable doubt.
    all my comments are just my opinion. jmho. moo. etc. etc.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeysmommom View Post
    I would think he was there for hours so anytime after 12AM would be morning.
    Perhaps. I'd be most interested to know exactly what time he was allowed to go home.


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    Quote Originally Posted by suzihawk View Post
    RBBM: "That morning"?! What morning? As in after the fact it was decided not to charge him?
    Not necessarily. That 'morning' could have been at 1 am. What time was GZ released from custody?
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    Quote Originally Posted by songline View Post
    LC I am jumping off our post, not replying to it.
    IMHO talk about Mr. Martins account of his sonís last walk was given to him by police.
    SO...all of you are having a crazy conversation IMHO.
    It is hard enough for Mr. Martin to go there.
    He may have memorized it all word for word as the account was given,
    he may have also forgotten somethingís and is translating it based on how he is putting the piece together.
    HOW DOES IT MATTER WHAT HE SAYS about TMís last walk?
    He is hurt, and his account is not the account that will be heard at a trial.

    WHY are we dissecting his account of it all? At the worst he can be a touch off.
    Can someone explain WHY - is there any merit to it. Maybe I am missing something.
    ITA. People keep focusing on each family's account as if it's actual testimony that will be admitted at trial. None of them were there that night. Very little, probably none, of what both families and the family friends are saying to the press is evidence.
    all my comments are just my opinion. jmho. moo. etc. etc.


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    Quote Originally Posted by gxm View Post
    What I think is that we'll never know what happened that night. However, GZ's story is supported by the evidence. We can each decide whether to believe GZ is telling the truth or not. IMO, I just don't know and, with the evidence to date, I have to side with reasonable doubt.
    Supported by evidence?

    He says he was beaten up and his head was repeatedly smashed on the sidewalk. The video evidence certainly doesn't seem to substantiate this. The body's position doesn't seem to support this.

    He says he was the one yelling for help. Two voice experts say that it was NOT him.



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    Originally Posted by Reader
    I wanted to bring this over from the last thread and respond:

    I realize that the evidence will be under 'discovery' rules once a trial begins (hopefully), but that is not what I meant.

    The girl was traumatized by what happened and what she heard. Her parents want to keep her anonymous for as long as possible but have allowed this much to come out.

    Maybe she didn't hear anymore and maybe she heard it all until Trayvon was killed. Why should that information be given out PUBLICLY now when we don't even know if there will be a trial or not, and expose the girl to further stress? If she testifies at a trial there will be plenty of opportunity then to discuss it.

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    According to her account, the phone did go dead,
    NO I would not believe if later, she supposedly heard the
    entire thing to the end.

    Her parents should keep her anonymous,
    I am not so sure about anything at all,
    and she does not need people calling,
    paying her to say it like this or like that.
    PEOPLE WOULD do that. Best she be hidden.

    AS IT IS:
    being that her story came out after she learned that TM is dead,
    makes me question.
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    And when someone breaks our wings,
    we simply continue to fly... on a broomstick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by songline View Post
    Trayvon lived in Miami with his mom and arrived the day before the incident. So he was a visitor, not a resident. he had 10 day time out from school, and his father had planned to spend some time with the boy and straighten him out. Just because his Dad lived with his GF at this community does not mean it was home to Travon.

    I love this posts that say things as if they are facts.
    So to GZ he looked like a new person in the area.
    GZ did not follow him because he is new. GZ suspected him for some reason
    that is why he followed him.

    I wish they spoke during their FIRST encounter when GZ was still in the Car.
    IF EITHER ONE SPOKE instead of dodging each other.
    I am visiting my Dad, Or I am the neighborhood watchman.
    I read that the father said Trayvon had come up to stay there before with him, so he was not a complete stranger to the complex. And since GZ was the 'watchman' and adult in the situation, to me it was his responsibility to identify himself and ask Trayvon politely who he was and where he was going, if that was his purpose in watching. Trayvon had no idea who this man watching and following him was and why he was doing it. So, yes, a simple contact would have prevented this situation from developing into this tragedy. But IMO, GZ had no intention to simply watch, he was determined to get one of those who 'always get away'.


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