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    Haleigh's mother was on Geraldo and said that according to Jr, he saw a black man in black, take Haleigh. He also said that Misty was asleep right beside him. According to Jr, the man had squeaky shoes. So, if he heard the squeaks, the house was quiet...no party, no fight over a gun, no raging JO. He then said he saw the couch bouncing. OK, if this story is accepted as told, then Misty sleeping through an unknown abduction, sounds reasonable. Stories get twisted and details changed, so did Jr really see a black man, or was he a man in black? Was Misty really sleeping? or faking sleep, or gone altogether? It would probably be easy to convince a real young child, like Jr, that somebody was sleeping. Just tell him, and he might believe it. I wonder if he was asked why he didn't wake Misty up. Also, if Misty was there, what was the deal with the bouncing couch? Would any abductor, whether a stranger or not, take a risk like that, with Misty in the house? Jr said the man took Haleigh. But took her where? to the living room, or out the door? According to Misty's early story, she woke up and Haleigh was gone. Did she actually wake up and find her there, and then for some crazy reason, decide to get rid of her? Did Misty come home to a dead Haleigh, and because of not wanting to admit to being gone, decided to get rid of her? One thing I'm pretty sure of though, is if Jr heard the squeaky shoes, the house was quiet. MOO

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    Quote Originally Posted by atherella View Post
    Wow

    It is rather amazing that a good majority of the original posters from this case are still around waiting for news on HaLeigh. Just goes to show how dedicated everyone is to her, even after three years (of very little news a majority of the time).
    I'm still here Atherella. I don't post much but I check in here frequently hoping for some news of Haleigh or Adji.
    Unless they literally wandered away and fell in a well somewhere then someone knows what happened to them. To that person, Give us an anonymous note, type it at a public library or internet cafe under a fake name. Call from a pay phone (do they still have those?) Buy a $10 trac phone, call the tipline then throw the phone away. There won't be any evidence left (remember poor Cayley) Just let us know where she lays so she can be given the dignity and remembrance she deserves. We give our animals a decent burial; this little girl deserves at least that much. Chances are you will take this secret to your grave; we just want her remains. Create a gmail account and email Trisha here. There are many ways you can do this and clear your conscience. It must weigh on you. You can set yourself free. You can seek forgiveness, but a first step is to give Haleigh back to her loved ones. Please.


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    Gracenote, While I completely agree with the premise of your post, and wish things could finally be revealed in HaLeigh's case, I'm not holding my breath this will ever happen.

    Until the 'named suspect' and 'the key' have served their time and are released there is no way to "type it at a public library or internet cafe under a fake name. Call from a pay phone (do they still have those?) Buy a $10 trac phone"

    If either are ever free I doubt they would tell even then because so far they got away with what they have done or know about what each other did.

    MOO though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gracenote View Post
    I'm still here Atherella. I don't post much but I check in here frequently hoping for some news of Haleigh or Adji.
    Unless they literally wandered away and fell in a well somewhere then someone knows what happened to them. To that person, Give us an anonymous note, type it at a public library or internet cafe under a fake name. Call from a pay phone (do they still have those?) Buy a $10 trac phone, call the tipline then throw the phone away. There won't be any evidence left (remember poor Cayley) Just let us know where she lays so she can be given the dignity and remembrance she deserves. We give our animals a decent burial; this little girl deserves at least that much. Chances are you will take this secret to your grave; we just want her remains. Create a gmail account and email Trisha here. There are many ways you can do this and clear your conscience. It must weigh on you. You can set yourself free. You can seek forgiveness, but a first step is to give Haleigh back to her loved ones. Please.
    Thank you for your beautiful words and sentiments about this case.

    I hope and pray someone will do one of the suggestions you provided above. I don't have much faith that anyone will, however.

    The people I believe know the truth have too much to lose. Timmy/Chelsea have each other (if they are back together), plus their children. Lindsay started a new life and also has children. No way will they get involved for fear they will be detected, (even though the options you suggested are safe.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4Jacy View Post
    Thank you for your beautiful words and sentiments about this case.

    I hope and pray someone will do one of the suggestions you provided above. I don't have much faith that anyone will, however.

    The people I believe know the truth have too much to lose. Timmy/Chelsea have each other (if they are back together), plus their children. Lindsay started a new life and also has children. No way will they get involved for fear they will be detected, (even though the options you suggested are safe.)
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    You'd think HaLeign's family would want her buried properly.
    What you read is MOO only. If not, it might make sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by titanfan62702 View Post
    You'd think HaLeign's family would want her buried properly.
    What makes you think they don't?
    I'm pretty sure they, like the rest of us, are waiting for the 'suspect and key' to admit what they did/know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dodie20 View Post
    Haleigh's mother was on Geraldo and said that according to Jr, he saw a black man in black, take Haleigh. He also said that Misty was asleep right beside him. According to Jr, the man had squeaky shoes. So, if he heard the squeaks, the house was quiet...no party, no fight over a gun, no raging JO. He then said he saw the couch bouncing. OK, if this story is accepted as told, then Misty sleeping through an unknown abduction, sounds reasonable. Stories get twisted and details changed, so did Jr really see a black man, or was he a man in black? Was Misty really sleeping? or faking sleep, or gone altogether? It would probably be easy to convince a real young child, like Jr, that somebody was sleeping. Just tell him, and he might believe it. I wonder if he was asked why he didn't wake Misty up. Also, if Misty was there, what was the deal with the bouncing couch? Would any abductor, whether a stranger or not, take a risk like that, with Misty in the house? Jr said the man took Haleigh. But took her where? to the living room, or out the door? According to Misty's early story, she woke up and Haleigh was gone. Did she actually wake up and find her there, and then for some crazy reason, decide to get rid of her? Did Misty come home to a dead Haleigh, and because of not wanting to admit to being gone, decided to get rid of her? One thing I'm pretty sure of though, is if Jr heard the squeaky shoes, the house was quiet. MOO
    Sorry, Dodie, I've been trying to respond, but RL is beating me half to death right now...

    Okay, Misty says she put the kids down at 8pm, and went to bed herself at 10pm. She says Haleigh was there then.

    Even if Haleigh was on a different mattress, Misty still says Haleigh was in the same room, and the mattress was only a couple of feet away. An abductor would have had to be in between this mattress and the bed Misty was sleeping in to take Haleigh.

    (I don't think Jr. lied, but IMO he could have been confused or had some ideas put in his head by people questioning him.) If what Jr. said was NOT accurate, Misty and Jr. both slept through someone coming into the bedroom they were all three sleeping in and taking Haleigh, and no one was disturbed. If what Jr. said was accurate, this intruder did disturb Jr. enough to wake him up, but not Misty, and wake him up long enough to be aware of someone walking around, bouncing around on the couch, and taking Haleigh, and Jr. didn't wake Misty up. According to the layout of the bedroom as posted in here somewhere, the bed and mattress were close to the door, with just a small space in between them, with the mattress against the wall.

    Also, LE stated there was no sign of forced entry, and IIRC Ron and Misty both stated the doors were locked.

    Does this come across as plausible or unlikely?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lanie View Post
    Sorry, Dodie, I've been trying to respond, but RL is beating me half to death right now...

    Okay, Misty says she put the kids down at 8pm, and went to bed herself at 10pm. She says Haleigh was there then.

    Even if Haleigh was on a different mattress, Misty still says Haleigh was in the same room, and the mattress was only a couple of feet away. An abductor would have had to be in between this mattress and the bed Misty was sleeping in to take Haleigh.

    (I don't think Jr. lied, but IMO he could have been confused or had some ideas put in his head by people questioning him.) If what Jr. said was NOT accurate, Misty and Jr. both slept through someone coming into the bedroom they were all three sleeping in and taking Haleigh, and no one was disturbed. If what Jr. said was accurate, this intruder did disturb Jr. enough to wake him up, but not Misty, and wake him up long enough to be aware of someone walking around, bouncing around on the couch, and taking Haleigh, and Jr. didn't wake Misty up. According to the layout of the bedroom as posted in here somewhere, the bed and mattress were close to the door, with just a small space in between them, with the mattress against the wall.

    Also, LE stated there was no sign of forced entry, and IIRC Ron and Misty both stated the doors were locked.

    Does this come across as plausible or unlikely?
    No, not plausible, but if Jrs account is accepted, then most of the other theories add up even less. Since Jr's version came out so soon after the abduction, I do believe it's close to the truth. My main problem with it though, is Misty staying asleep after Jr woke up. I do think he would have woke her, and I do Not think an abductor would have risked hanging around, if she was there. If I remember correctly, Misty did at one time, admit to waking up while Jr crawled over her...obviously, if this was enough to wake her up, she would have woke up if someone was prowling around, just inches away. So IMO, she was probably gone, and for whatever reasons, lied about it. Or she woke up, and for some reason, pretended to stay asleep. I don't think Misty would have been paralyzed by fear, so if she Did pretend to sleep, it may have been because it was an arranged abduction...but, I don't think so. Misty had been gone for days and had just gotten back to the house, so there wouldn't have been time or motive, to set up an abduction. And if she set it up, she should have jumped on Jr's account...but for some reason, she never really did. Anyway, after thinking about Jr's account, and thinking about how confident LE seemed to be that Misty was gone, I think she probably Was gone. And not wanting to admit it, is what started the chain of lies. Also, RC calling Tommy and asking if Misty was with him, is a pretty good indicator that he knew she was gone, and therefore the kids were alone...which would be a motive for him to hide the truth. Which all brings up a weird connection. Jr supposedly heard squeaky shoes, and LC later threw Tommy's boots away. I wonder what kind of boots they were, and what they sounded like. Wet shoes squeak... Anyway, none of this explains Tommy's actions, and considering that he was always in the middle of everything, I do think he was involved somehow...and Misty knows it, and he knows Misty knows it. He took RC's call, so he knew the kids were alone, and IMO, that's opportunity. So, I can't rule Tommy out as the abductor. But, I am confused about the all black and squeaky shoes. Unless Tommy was fishing or messing around the water, how would his boots have gotten wet? I do remember LE following a trail down to the water, so maybe a boat was used?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lanie View Post
    Sorry, Dodie, I've been trying to respond, but RL is beating me half to death right now...

    Okay, Misty says she put the kids down at 8pm, and went to bed herself at 10pm. She says Haleigh was there then.

    Even if Haleigh was on a different mattress, Misty still says Haleigh was in the same room, and the mattress was only a couple of feet away. An abductor would have had to be in between this mattress and the bed Misty was sleeping in to take Haleigh.

    (I don't think Jr. lied, but IMO he could have been confused or had some ideas put in his head by people questioning him.) If what Jr. said was NOT accurate, Misty and Jr. both slept through someone coming into the bedroom they were all three sleeping in and taking Haleigh, and no one was disturbed. If what Jr. said was accurate, this intruder did disturb Jr. enough to wake him up, but not Misty, and wake him up long enough to be aware of someone walking around, bouncing around on the couch, and taking Haleigh, and Jr. didn't wake Misty up. According to the layout of the bedroom as posted in here somewhere, the bed and mattress were close to the door, with just a small space in between them, with the mattress against the wall.

    Also, LE stated there was no sign of forced entry, and IIRC Ron and Misty both stated the doors were locked.

    Does this come across as plausible or unlikely?
    If Misty left, she could have left the door unlocked or propped open, so she could get back in. I think I remember reading early on, that Misty didn't have her own key...either because RC had the only key, or because she gave hers back to him, after their fight. If she didn't have a key, she wouldn't have locked the door. I don't know why she would have propped the door open, unless maybe she started out by hanging around outside, with no intention of leaving, but then for some reason, did end up leaving. Anyway, if an abductor came in while she was gone, it was more than likely, someone who knew she was gone...maybe even knew where she was and when she'd be back. I'm not sure about the staging. If Misty left the house, it could have been what she did to get back in, or it could have been the abductor's idea, to make carrying Haleigh out easier. I've never really believed it was staged in order to make it look like an abductor broke in. Even Misty, IMO, could have done a more convincing job than that. Misty and RC stating the doors were locked, doesn't mean much. RC wasn't there, so how would he know? And if Misty Did leave, she would have reason to lie. MOO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dodie20 View Post
    If Misty left, she could have left the door unlocked or propped open, so she could get back in. I think I remember reading early on, that Misty didn't have her own key...either because RC had the only key, or because she gave hers back to him, after their fight. If she didn't have a key, she wouldn't have locked the door. I don't know why she would have propped the door open, unless maybe she started out by hanging around outside, with no intention of leaving, but then for some reason, did end up leaving. Anyway, if an abductor came in while she was gone, it was more than likely, someone who knew she was gone...maybe even knew where she was and when she'd be back. I'm not sure about the staging. If Misty left the house, it could have been what she did to get back in, or it could have been the abductor's idea, to make carrying Haleigh out easier. I've never really believed it was staged in order to make it look like an abductor broke in. Even Misty, IMO, could have done a more convincing job than that. Misty and RC stating the doors were locked, doesn't mean much. RC wasn't there, so how would he know? And if Misty Did leave, she would have reason to lie. MOO.


    I have no idea what happend that evening but my goodness its all very complicated,.

    Remember little Shania Davis i can still see that pic of her and that man carrying her into that motel. Well her mom sold her for a drug debt.

    Could Misty have done this proped the door open and left letting whomever come and take littke Haleigh!

    She could truthfully say she dosent know who took her or what happend
    but could fail on did u have anything to do with her disappearance!

    So many things cold be in play here but i do not trust not one person in that clan!


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    I hope one day we can come here and find she has been found!

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    I pray that when a new sheriff is elected in November, and I am sure there will be since informal polls and stuff I've been reading about Hardy show he's toast, they allow the FBI to take over the case.

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    I believe if something hasn't worked, change it up. Try a different way. But then again, Hardy had a plate of crime handed to him. He managed to get 24mil off the street of course with help and many others that I saw. But his camera shy ways aren't appealing to some, like me. They needed help but of course there were so many facts they LE didn't have, so much confusion as to who to believe. I believe if they eliminate that confusion, don't use it at all, Haleigh has a better chance to be found and those guilty or possibly just one, will give some justice to her demise for her family. jmo The public knows the area, now help find Haleigh. RIP Haleigh. xoxo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Know? View Post
    I believe if something hasn't worked, change it up. Try a different way. But then again, Hardy had a plate of crime handed to him. He managed to get 24mil off the street of course with help and many others that I saw. But his camera shy ways aren't appealing to some, like me. They needed help but of course there were so many facts they LE didn't have, so much confusion as to who to believe. I believe if they eliminate that confusion, don't use it at all, Haleigh has a better chance to be found and those guilty or possibly just one, will give some justice to her demise for her family. jmo The public knows the area, now help find Haleigh. RIP Haleigh. xoxo
    I agree, and I also think this LE kept too many details from the public. Only the most gullible person could believe Misty really wasn't a POI or suspect. She admitted to being the last person to see Haleigh and then failed multiple LDTs. That alone should have made her a POI, so what was the point in not saying so? Anyway, LE being so consumed with keeping every little bit of information from the public, slowed the pace of the investigation down, IMO. I also think they were too worried about what outsiders were doing and saying. It was like everybody who wasn't a part of their tight knit group, was an enemy and was made to leave. LE should have been less worried with these outsiders, and more focused on Haleigh. IMO, all that worrying, just wasted valuable time. Now, there isn't much outside interest to worry with, and LE is free to focus on the investigation, but it still hasn't moved along. The last statement I read, LE was back to saying the abduction probably wasn't the work of a stranger. Alrighty then...back to square 1, and still no Haleigh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dodie20 View Post
    I agree, and I also think this LE kept too many details from the public. Only the most gullible person could believe Misty really wasn't a POI or suspect. She admitted to being the last person to see Haleigh and then failed multiple LDTs. That alone should have made her a POI, so what was the point in not saying so? Anyway, LE being so consumed with keeping every little bit of information from the public, slowed the pace of the investigation down, IMO. I also think they were too worried about what outsiders were doing and saying. It was like everybody who wasn't a part of their tight knit group, was an enemy and was made to leave. LE should have been less worried with these outsiders, and more focused on Haleigh. IMO, all that worrying, just wasted valuable time. Now, there isn't much outside interest to worry with, and LE is free to focus on the investigation, but it still hasn't moved along. The last statement I read, LE was back to saying the abduction probably wasn't the work of a stranger. Alrighty then...back to square 1, and still no Haleigh.
    I doubt that much info LE didn't tell us stopped them from solving the case. And what difference does it make whether Misty is called a POI or suspect or the key? That's a word game to me. And whether Misty admitted to be the last known person to have seen HaLeigh -- technically that would be the person that disposed of her. I'm more concerned that it appears that LE has been stuck on one train track.
    What you read is MOO only. If not, it might make sense.

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