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    Long Easter Weekend Thread (Apr. 5, 6, 7, 8, & 9, 2012)

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    the crown will present its case in chapters:

    Chapter 1: The day of the kidnapping. The surveillance video showing Rafferty driving up the street outside Tori's school and McClintic walking Tori up the street. Witnesses from and around Oliver Stephens public school will talk about seeing Tori.
    An identification officer will use photographs and maps to show the route from Woodstock to Guelph.
    Tori's mother, Tara McDonald, will testify about the frantic hours the family spent looking for Tori.

    Chapter 2: Terri-Lynne McClintic. "She was an essential part of all that happened," Gowdey said. "I expect her credibility will be a major issue in this case."

    Chapter 3: Guelph -- video surveillance and bank records detailing the events there.

    Chapter 4: the Mount Forest death scene, which the jury will visit. "It will be difficult to go to the very place where this happened, I know that, but understanding the crime scene is crucial to understanding the crime," Gowdey said. Photographs, some of them graphic, will be used to explain "exactly how the killing happened." "Unfortunately it is only through them that you can fully understand (the) evidence," Gowdey said.

    Chapter 5: Police interaction with Rafferty.

    Chapter 6: The searches of Rafferty and McClintic's residences and the evidence found.

    Chapter 7: The Honda Civic. What was found inside.

    Chapter 8: Rafferty's connection to the Mount Forest area.

    Chapter 9: Comments Rafferty made to friends after April 8. "He had some interesting things to say to other people about Terri-Lynne McClintic and about the kidnapping itself," Gowdey said.

    Chapter 10: The May 15 weekend and Rafferty's actions.

    Chapter 11: The BlackBerry. The BlackBerry allowed police to track his movements April 8 and after.

    Chapter 12: A recap of the surveillance video.
    http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/r.../19463111.html

    Salem's warning from last week:
    Okay everybody - LISTEN UP! We are not bashing, accusing or blaming Tori's family here. It won't be allowed.
    Children walk home from school every day without incident. Parents are not perfect, it's just not possible. Tori's parents DID NOT do this to her. TLM and an accomplice DID. That is where the blame goes.
    We had a lot of family bashing in the early parts of this investigation after Tori went missing and a lot of baseless accusations - NONE OF WHICH PROVED TO BE TRUE. Victim and family bashing will not be allowed during this trial.
    Thank you,
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    Long Easter Weekend Thread (Apr. 5, 6, 7, 2012)

    Please continue here. I'm opening this early, so the weekend can get started and the mods won't have to worry about getting here to open up.

    Salem
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    So they placed two undercover cops in his holding cell with him and all they got out of him was that he wanted some pills?

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    Quote Originally Posted by captaincanada View Post
    So they placed two undercover cops in his holding cell with him and all they got out of him was that he wanted some pills?
    So far anyway.
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    I wonder when the Jury will be hearing about the forensic results??

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    Regarding the pamxs .... if this was for the Pumas, why not just write Pumas?

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    Ok so we now know for sure that Tori was raped in the rear passenger side of the car. 1) The handle on that side was missing, probably removed it due to fingerprints or blood 2) The seat bottom was missing from that side of the car
    3) TLM testified that Tori was kicked and on the side of the car, I'm now assuming it was the passenger side. What happened to the Crown discussing the results of the DNA from the material that they sent out?
    Take the road of truth or it will eventually be done for you

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    Quote Originally Posted by roseofsharon View Post
    Regarding the pamxs .... if this was for the Pumas, why not just write Pumas?
    Strongly believe he is talking about some kind of drugs not running shoes. Could simply indicate that he cant sell them so buy them back and pay me for the oxys.
    Take the road of truth or it will eventually be done for you

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    Quote Originally Posted by captaincanada View Post
    So they placed two undercover cops in his holding cell with him and all they got out of him was that he wanted some pills?
    I don't know that this was the end of the testimony. Probably to be continued on Tuesday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldsoul2 View Post
    Ok so we now know for sure that Tori was raped in the rear passenger side of the car. 1) The handle on that side was missing, probably removed it due to fingerprints or blood 2) The seat bottom was missing from that side of the car
    3) TLM testified that Tori was kicked and on the side of the car, I'm now assuming it was the passenger side. What happened to the Crown discussing the results of the DNA from the material that they sent out?
    Respectfully, I do not think that we know for sure at all! I have not heard of any concrete evidence of that yet.

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    AM980_Court We'll hear from centre of forensic science experts then.
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    AM980_Court Done for the week. Back at 10 am Tuesday.
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    There's a peice of Tori's shirt missing as shown in the pic attached to this article... was that missing peice explained in any way? Could it possibly be the peice of grey fabric found in rear of MR's vehicle? There are some definite grey tones in the rest of the shirt. That would be some real physical evidence that would help the Crown's case.

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    Do men normally keep condoms in their car?
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    A lasting memory
    ~~An older Easter article about Tori~~
    ELLIOT FERGUSON, SENTINEL-REVIEW
    Monday, April 5, 2010 8:42:33 EDT AM

    A year ago, Victoria Stafford danced down the aisle at College Avenue Church.

    She held a palm leaf over her head, waving it back and forth as she led a Palm Sunday procession.

    It is a lasting memory for her family and, for most in the congregation, it is the last time they saw the girl.

    "That was Victoria's first Palm Sunday here," said Linda Winters, Victoria's grandmother.

    Later that afternoon, Winters helped Victoria sound out the word Jerusalem as they read the Bible story of Palm Sunday together with Victoria's brother Daryn.

    Winters read the same Palm Sunday story from the same Bible to the children of College Avenue United Church at this year's service.

    "You felt such comfort in Tori," Winters said. "A lot of people saw a little girl who danced around and caused a lot of commotion at school. But if you ever got to know her, the comfort was so overwhelming


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    Quote Originally Posted by captaincanada View Post
    So they placed two undercover cops in his holding cell with him and all they got out of him was that he wanted some pills?
    unless the info resulted in other investigations
    As always, JMO

    Evil is; as evil does.


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    Justice is patient, relentless in its pursuit and is on the march for Justin Lin....

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenthumb View Post


    There's a peice of Tori's shirt missing as shown in the pic attached to this article... was that missing peice explained in any way? Could it possibly be the peice of grey fabric found in rear of MR's vehicle? There are some definite grey tones in the rest of the shirt. That would be some real physical evidence that would help the Crown's case.

    MOO
    If I am remembering the testimony correctly, I believe he said something along the lines of it was missing due to decomp/elements etc. Tori was found in the fetal position laying on her right side, the sleeve that is missing is the left and not much was preserved on her left side.

    JMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alice Ramnit View Post
    Respectfully, I do not think that we know for sure at all! I have not heard of any concrete evidence of that yet.
    That is evidence that I am referring to???
    Take the road of truth or it will eventually be done for you

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    Quote Originally Posted by KMouse View Post
    Do men normally keep condoms in their car?
    It doesn't surprise me, especially as how he seems to have random s*x in his car (well with TLM anyway) and how he flits between girlfriends.

    JMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by captaincanada View Post
    So they placed two undercover cops in his holding cell with him and all they got out of him was that he wanted some pills?
    That's all they are telling us so far...sorry. More to come. HTH Me's thinking MR got duped...undercovered police. So yes we now learn MR was heavily into drugs, dealing too buy the sounds of it. He was buy from BA at $3 a pill. I am sure he could have gotten a lot more for them on the street. "I'm one of the good guys". pfft good at what? I wish I knew the answers to that. First answer would be LYING.
    RIP Tim. Justice will prevail

    RIP sweet Tori.

    May 15/12, Michael Rafferty guilty; 25 years with no chance of parole. R.I.H. P.O.S.

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    PAMXS

    I believe Matou is correct with "extra strength".

    The "pa" could be pain

    the "m" could be management

    Some type of painkiller.

    I've been Googling to find references, but not positive, as there are many subtitles for pamxs.


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    Quote Originally Posted by swedie View Post
    That's all they are telling us so far...sorry. More to come. HTH Me's thinking MR got duped...undercovered police. So yes we now learn MR was heavily into drugs, dealing too buy the sounds of it. He was buy from BA at $3 a pill. I am sure he could have gotten a lot more for them on the street. "I'm one of the good guys". pfft good at what? I wish I knew the answers to that. First answer would be LYING.
    A friend of mine is a policer officer, said oxys street value is 30$ a pill, he's a dealer, no question. When he said "under the table" he meant under the table.
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    Quote Originally Posted by swedie View Post
    That's all they are telling us so far...sorry. More to come. HTH Me's thinking MR got duped...undercovered police. So yes we now learn MR was heavily into drugs, dealing too buy the sounds of it. He was buy from BA at $3 a pill. I am sure he could have gotten a lot more for them on the street. "I'm one of the good guys". pfft good at what? I wish I knew the answers to that. First answer would be LYING.
    I think he rolled his eyes because he got duped by undercovers too.

    No offense but this is why you do not enable 28 year olds to sponge at home IMO....the boyfriend was smart to get out. I have no problem with helping an adult child to get on their feet if they are responsible, trustworthy etc. But would not enable a BUM!!!!!! JMO This 28 year old was a parents worst night mare! IMO
    As always, JMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by roseofsharon View Post
    Regarding the pamxs .... if this was for the Pumas, why not just write Pumas?
    Being as the note included oxys, I guess we're safe to say MR wrote pamxs. Pamxs is short for street talk from the anti anxiety line of meds. Lorazapam, alprazolam, clonazepam, diazepam and lorazepam are a few common ones. moo

    Many different types of medications are used in the treatment of anxiety disorders, including traditional anti-anxiety drugs such as benzodiazepines, and newer options like antidepressants and beta-blockers. Once you stop taking the drug, the anxiety symptoms often return in full force. If MR was taking pams also, WOWZERS, withdrawal symptoms galore for a few day after incarceration.
    RIP Tim. Justice will prevail

    RIP sweet Tori.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldsoul2 View Post
    Ok so we now know for sure that Tori was raped in the rear passenger side of the car.
    I have yet to see any evidence thus far to say he has, not even enough cicrumstantial eveidence in my opinion either.

    Quote Originally Posted by Oldsoul2 View Post
    1) The handle on that side was missing, probably removed it due to fingerprints or blood
    I have had 2 cars in my life that the door handle was broken off for various reason, this is not a direct indication of evidence tampering

    Quote Originally Posted by Oldsoul2 View Post
    2) The seat bottom was missing from that side of the car
    Have yet to hear anything one way or another on the seat, so we wait still


    They seem to have been very careful to not let evidence be known in this case, so once the forensics get their say we will know a lot more
    My opinion is MINE!

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    Quote Originally Posted by swedie View Post
    Being as the note included oxys, I guess we're safe to say MR wrote pamxs. Pamxs is short for street talk from the anti anxiety line of meds. Lorazapam, alprazolam, clonazepam, diazepam and lorazepam are a few common ones. moo

    Many different types of medications are used in the treatment of anxiety disorders, including traditional anti-anxiety drugs such as benzodiazepines, and newer options like antidepressants and beta-blockers. Once you stop taking the drug, the anxiety symptoms often return in full force. If MR was taking pams also, WOWZERS, withdrawal symptoms galore for a few day after incarceration.
    yep and ativan is one of the most abused medications...right up there with oxy's...people will knock you over the head to steal those meds IMO
    As always, JMO

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