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  1. #121
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    Quote Originally Posted by ~n/t~ View Post
    I see the defense is trying to confuse the jury. Nice try but the facts are the DNA found were 1 in billions or trillions that it belonged to foreign source. Furthermore, we know the car was washed and items thrown out and possible washing of shoes and coat.

    But who knows. It might work for this jury. Baez did the same thing and it worked for 12 jurors in Florida. He had a flip charts and markers and all that new tech stuff <sarcasm>

    Nah...doubt it would happen here. lol
    I sure as hell hope not, but can't help being concerned about it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post
    RBBM: What the heck doess it mean then? If it doesn't come from sperm, why do they call it "sperm fraction" and where else could it come from? That makes no sense????

    Salem
    "the sperm cells are treated with some extra chemicals to help remove them from the substrate and also break them open. This is called a sperm fraction."
    http://books.google.com/books?id=LnK...action&f=false

    I had to look it up, because I sure didn't learn about that in biology class.


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  5. #123
    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post
    My thought is that there are traces of the something that isn't there showing that it was there.....

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    Well gee Salem, that was clear as MUD! lol.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post
    My thought is that there are traces of the something that isn't there showing that it was there.....

    Salem
    Well we know that Victoria was in that car for at least 21/2 hours. Amazing how they found no DNA of her presence there at all other than between the door and the frame. Not a hair. Must have been a good cleaning job.

    MOO


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  9. #125
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    I will be interested to hear the defense's view on the back seat. To me the evidence that there were pieces cut out and that the back seat was removed are very damning. Given TLM's testimony, that was likely to have a lot of evidence, and it is unclear why it would be cut up and removed just from cleanup if something didn't happen there.


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  11. #126
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldsoul2 View Post
    He had months to get rid of evidence and yet still there's forensics. I just don't see how the jury will fall for this defense. IMO
    Hope this jury is focused on the real facts of the case and not the defense's futile attempt at confusing the jury. He admitted MR helped cover up the crime scene. How did Tori get there? TLM doesn't drive!
    Justice for Holly Bobo🎀


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  13. #127
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    AM980.ca ‏ @AM980_Court
    Another spot on the coat had three individuals DNA. Rafferty likely one of them.

    AM980.ca ‏ @AM980_Court
    McLean says it is possible no sperm or semen was on Tori's body. None was found, but not expected to be due to decomposition.
    "The dead cannot cry out for justice; it is a duty of the living to do so for them."
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  15. #128
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macright View Post
    but wasn't the blood found inside the shoe?
    Was it? On the shoe, in the shoe... It's more likely that his shoe would have blood anywhere on it if it was at the crime scene when the crime was occurring I thought it was reported that Rafferty did not take his shoes off, but even if they were on, they could have gotten on the edge and gotten into the shoe.


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    RaffertyLFP: Derstine shifts focus to attempts to get DNA from Tori's body, McLean agrees that decomposition makes it difficult

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    "You can't tell us if Michael Rafferty had sex with Tori Stafford," Derstine says. McLean says she only tested for detection of fluids

    RaffertyLFP: Derstine wraps up cross examination of McLean

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    McLean also agrees that DNA evidence doesn't prove Tori and Rafferty were in the car together at the same time. No more questions.
    "The dead cannot cry out for justice; it is a duty of the living to do so for them."
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  18. #130
    Quote Originally Posted by Kamille View Post
    Well we know that Victoria was in that car for at least 21/2 hours. Amazing how they found no DNA of her presence there at all other than between the door and the frame. Not a hair. Must have been a good cleaning job.

    MOO
    And yet they found a sliver of car seat fabric that had been cut out. How good a cleaning job was it then that they found this, and precious little else?


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    Avery Moore ‏ @AveryFreeFMNews
    Having some Internet troubles in the courthouse. Will be back to tweeting momentarily.

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    Melanie LaBute is the next witness. Venne handles the questions.

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    She's 39. Worked at Staples in Woodstock in spring 2009.
    "The dead cannot cry out for justice; it is a duty of the living to do so for them."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Juris_Prudence View Post
    And yet they found a sliver of car seat fabric that had been cut out. How good a cleaning job was it then that they found this, and precious little else?
    It fell off the seat when he was removing it. Days after the shampoo deep clean.

    MOO


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    Quote Originally Posted by Juris_Prudence View Post
    Well gee Salem, that was clear as MUD! lol.
    When the prosecutor said to "listen closely to the DNA evidence", he wasn't kidding. It's all so convoluted to a layperson and IMO sure doesn't prove anything, except that a tiny drop of blood on the door frame belonging to anyone other than Tori is astronomical odds. The location of said droplet is not in a place one would expect it to be, if it was deposited entering or exiting the vehicle.

    Sure hope there's more evidence than what's been presented so far.
    "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" ~Aristotle~


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    Avery Moore ‏ @AveryFreeFMNews
    Jennifer McLean says 1 of the blonde hairs found on coat was tested, female DNA found. Wasn't Tori's or Terri-Lynne McClintic's.
    "The dead cannot cry out for justice; it is a duty of the living to do so for them."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor Bug View Post
    RaffertyLFP: Derstine shifts focus to attempts to get DNA from Tori's body, McLean agrees that decomposition makes it difficult

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    "You can't tell us if Michael Rafferty had sex with Tori Stafford," Derstine says. McLean says she only tested for detection of fluids

    RaffertyLFP: Derstine wraps up cross examination of McLean
    Ummm...Derstine.....she's the scientist not the Medical Examiner. I wish McLean would've answered it that way. Canadians are too polite. lol
    Justice for Holly Bobo🎀


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