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    Trial Thread 4/13/2012

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    the crown will present its case in chapters:

    Chapter 1: The day of the kidnapping. The surveillance video showing Rafferty driving up the street outside Tori's school and McClintic walking Tori up the street. Witnesses from and around Oliver Stephens public school will talk about seeing Tori.
    An identification officer will use photographs and maps to show the route from Woodstock to Guelph.
    Tori's mother, Tara McDonald, will testify about the frantic hours the family spent looking for Tori.

    Chapter 2: Terri-Lynne McClintic. "She was an essential part of all that happened," Gowdey said. "I expect her credibility will be a major issue in this case."

    Chapter 3: Guelph -- video surveillance and bank records detailing the events there.

    Chapter 4: the Mount Forest death scene, which the jury will visit. "It will be difficult to go to the very place where this happened, I know that, but understanding the crime scene is crucial to understanding the crime," Gowdey said. Photographs, some of them graphic, will be used to explain "exactly how the killing happened."
    "Unfortunately it is only through them that you can fully understand (the) evidence," Gowdey said.

    Chapter 5: Police interaction with Rafferty.

    Chapter 6: The searches of Rafferty and McClintic's residences and the evidence found.

    Chapter 7: The Honda Civic. What was found inside.

    Chapter 8: Rafferty's connection to the Mount Forest area.

    Chapter 9: Comments Rafferty made to friends after April 8. "He had some interesting things to say to other people about Terri-Lynne McClintic and about the kidnapping itself," Gowdey said.

    Chapter 10: The May 15 weekend and Rafferty's actions.

    Chapter 11: The BlackBerry. The BlackBerry allowed police to track his movements April 8 and after.

    Chapter 12: A recap of the surveillance video.
    http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/r.../19463111.html

    Salem's warning from last week:
    Okay everybody - LISTEN UP! We are not bashing, accusing or blaming Tori's family here. It won't be allowed.
    Children walk home from school every day without incident. Parents are not perfect, it's just not possible. Tori's parents DID NOT do this to her. TLM and an accomplice DID. That is where the blame goes.
    We had a lot of family bashing in the early parts of this investigation after Tori went missing and a lot of baseless accusations - NONE OF WHICH PROVED TO BE TRUE. Victim and family bashing will not be allowed during this trial.
    Thank you,
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    Last edited by Salem; 04-12-2012 at 03:44 PM. Reason: update chapters

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    Trial Thread 4/13/2012

    Please continue here. It is Friday, the 13th

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    Good Morning!

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    Rafferty spoke of child abduction

    A woman who dated Rafferty shortly after the disappearance of Tori Stafford said he spoke to her about abducting children.
    http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/r.../19627411.html
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    Christie Blatchford: Michael Rafferty’s rather quick recovery from witnessing horrifying Tori Stafford murder

    LONDON, Ont. — For a fellow who was purportedly “horrified” when Terri-Lynne McClintic first abducted and then abruptly killed a little Woodstock, Ont., girl in the spring of 2009, Michael Rafferty appears to have pulled himself together rather quickly.

    Indeed, Mr. Rafferty did what any man who had just watched a shocking child murder might do: He went onto a dating website called Plenty of Fish and proceeded to become involved with no fewer than two women.

    The suggestion that Mr. Rafferty, now 31, was aghast when McClintic purportedly killed the eight-year-old came from his lawyer, Dirk Derstine, during his cross-examination of McClintic last month.
    http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/...afford-murder/


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    Another quote from above link:

    “I’m going to suggest to you that Mr. Rafferty came back [to the car] after the death, was horrified, but helped you clean up. You can agree or disagree with that,” Mr. Derstine told McClintic, who vehemently disagreed.

    Proof that the defence put his client at the crime scene. Direct quote from Mr. Derstine himself.
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    I wonder if they are skipping over Chapter 8 because of scheduling issues and will return to it later on?

    Chapter 8: Rafferty's connection to the Mount Forest area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matou View Post
    I wonder if they are skipping over Chapter 8 because of scheduling issues and will return to it later on?

    Chapter 8: Rafferty's connection to the Mount Forest area.
    Good point. I hadn't even noticed that until you pointed it out. hmmmmm

    I wonder if there was something that the defense objected to when they had that "legal issues" day?

    It's too bad if they skip over it because this would've added another big piece to their case and nail to his coffin.
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    Just thought of something, perhaps it wasn't necessary for them to do the connection to the Mt. Forest Chapter because his attorney already admitted the accused child killer was there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ~n/t~ View Post
    Just thought of something, perhaps it wasn't necessary for them to do the connection to the Mt. Forest Chapter because his attorney already admitted the accused child killer was there.
    Maybe it was Miss Lane who already mentioned him living in Drayton with relatives when he was in grade school? IDK

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~n/t~ View Post
    Just thought of something, perhaps it wasn't necessary for them to do the connection to the Mt. Forest Chapter because his attorney already admitted the accused child killer was there.
    That could be, the Crown didn't know that the defence was going to admitt that MTR was at the crime sceme until after opening statements.

    I still hope they don't skip it, I was wondering if it could provide some answers about where TLM and MTR between when they left the crime scene and when they got back to Woodstock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~n/t~ View Post
    Good point. I hadn't even noticed that until you pointed it out. hmmmmm

    I wonder if there was something that the defense objected to when they had that "legal issues" day?

    It's too bad if they skip over it because this would've added another big piece to their case and nail to his coffin.
    I doubt that the crown will just omit this section; I am expecting it was moved for good reason and that section will have just as much impact as yesterday's testimony.
    As always, JMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~n/t~ View Post
    Just thought of something, perhaps it wasn't necessary for them to do the connection to the Mt. Forest Chapter because his attorney already admitted the accused child killer was there.
    Well if his only "connection" is that he lived in Drayton during his preteen years then I would skip it because that's stretching it. But to devote an entire chapter to it, I would hope there is a lot more info...like jobs held etc. And it is important to establish that TLM did not "direct" MR to the rural property but rather MR drove directly to it out of Guelph and knew where it was and why he was taking Victoria there.

    MOO

    ETA: I guess it's possible that the people who live in Drayton, a very small town, spend a lot of time in Mt Forest which is a little bigger to do shopping etc rather than going into the larger city of Guelph. And his Aunt and Uncle may have taken him there often and they may have known people from Mt Forest that they visited with regularily. Lots of farmers in that area and I would imagine they get together for farm related fairs, auctions etc.

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    Rafferty trial shifts to new chapter

    A new chapter in the Crown's case against Michael Rafferty is set to begin Friday in a London courtroom – what the accused said to friends after disappearance of Victoria 'Tori' Stafford.

    “He had some interesting things to say to other people about Terri-Lynne McClintic, about the kidnapping itself,” Crown Attorney Kevin Gowdey told jurors in his opening remarks.

    The Crown finished Thursday what it called the car chapter, which examined evidence found in Rafferty's 2003 Honda Civic.
    http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/r.../19628261.html
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