This is what I cannot get past...
I understand Zimmerman calling the non-emergency line. Fine! What I will never understand him doing is getting out of that truck and following Trayvon, even after the dispatcher told Zimmerman "we don't need you to do that." He continued.
It is insulting, at least to me, that they are trying to make us believe that Zimmerman was innocently checking the street address and when he was walking back to his car, Trayvon attacked him from behind. It makes no sense! Trayvon was running/walking fast AWAY from George! IMO.
The fact that Zimmerman had lived in that community since 2009, and the little tidbit Frank T. revealed about Zimmmerman walking around with a 100 pound dog and a loaded gun when he did his rounds, tells me a lot about George Zimmerman. The fact that Frank T. has said George had "fed up" issues, tells me all I need to know about George Zimmerman. IMO.
George knew that neighborhood like the back of his hand, IMO. There was no checking street addresses... and if he really wanted to check a street address, he should have drove around. If he was that fearful of this suspicious kid... he would have stayed in his car. He was not afraid of Trayvon and took it upon himself to catch back up with Trayvon and confront him. IMO.
Frank T. should have felt some obligation to tell the HOA the things he knew about George. The way he explains it... George was not of sound mind to even be in that position.
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Since I have been asked a reasonable question and have responded in kind, I would also like to ask a question which will explain, at least for myself, a great skepticism for the events of that evening as told by GZ and his agents.
On April 4th, Robert Zimmerman and both of GZ's attorneys were interviewed on the Sean Hannity show. The following image is the route described as GZ having taken and the sequence of events they say happened between the starting point of being told by the 911 dispatcher "We do not need you to do that", and the end point of GZ supposedly being brutally beaten by TM.
According to the transcript at:
The sequence and travel path are as follows:
Now to a couple of questions.(1) ZIMMERMAN: From where George's vehicle was, there's a sidewalk that goes to the next street over.
ZIMMERMAN: Off of that sidewalk there's another sidewalk that goes between two rows of townhomes. It's my understanding that Trayvon went between the two rows of townhomes, and George was walking down the main sidewalk to see if he could see where Trayvon was going.
(2) ZIMMERMAN: When the dispatcher said we know longer need you to do that, and George acknowledged OK. He no longer knew where Trayvon was. So he continued walking down the sidewalk directly in front of him to the next street to get an address
(3) He got an address. He was walking back to his vehicle.
(4) As he was walking back to his vehicle, there was a sidewalk that goes to his left and Trayvon came from that area where the sidewalks meet. He asked my son if he had a problem, and George said, no, I don't have a problem. Trayvon said, well, you do now. He punched him in the face, broke his nose, knocked him to the sidewalk, and got on him and started beating him
-We know that GZ got out of his vehicle at point (1) to begin this walk at [2:08] into the 911 call. We have all heard even the door opening pings as he exits the vehicle.
-We also know that the 911 dispatcher told GZ "we don't need you to do that" at [2:26] into the call which was 16 seconds after GZ started to follow TM. At a well document 3 mph walk rate for an adult male, in 16 seconds, he would have walked 70 feet to arrive at point (2).
-We are being told that he continued walking straight ahead to the next street over at point (3) where he obtained an address.
-We are then told that GZ started walking back to his vehicle until he reached the point where the sidewalks meet at point (4) to be brutally beaten by TM.
Since the above post to which I'm commenting apparently has some level of experience with time/distance calculations, I would like to ask two questions.
(a) Please feel free to double check in any scaled map reference that's preferred, but Google Earth plots the distance travelled from point (2) to point (4) as 243 feet.
I couldn't help but notice that in analyzing TM's walk rate to his residence, a rate of 4 minutes per quarter of a mile was applied. Lets apply the same rate to this 243 feet and see how long it would have taken GZ to travel.
.25 miles = 1,320 feet divided by 4 = 330 feet per minute. Since GZ only walked 243 feet, a quick ratio calculation tells us that the total time for GZ to go from point (2) to his brutal beating at point (4) would be 45 seconds.
If we add this time of 45 seconds to his KNOWN beginning time of [2:26] into the 911 call, we are being told that George Zimmerman was being brutally beaten at [3:11], right?
My first question....How was George Zimmerman able to retain his composure enough to continue to carry on his 911 call through this brutal attack in light of the fact that the call lasted four minutes and seven seconds?
My last question....Since GZ has claimed justification in killing an unarmed 17 year old boy by pulling out his pistol and firing one shot into his chest, while being beaten at the point his father tells us the attack happened, how did the body wind up 100 feet away per SPD and SFD at point (5)?
Last edited by Concerned Papa; 04-10-2012 at 04:28 PM.
But there is nothing covered up that will not be revealed, and hidden that will not be known. Accordingly, whatever you have said in the dark will be heard in the light, and what you have whispered in the inner rooms will be proclaimed upon the housetops. Luke 12, 2-3
Do we know how many times Trayvon has visited this community? Has it ever crossed our minds that maybe, while being scared and trying to get away from Zimmerman, Trayvon became disoriented? I've accidentally walked into other people's houses (more than once) when I had just moved to that location. It can take a while to get used to. Especially when all the homes looked exactly alike.
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Both Jane Velez-Mitchell and Nancy Grace will focus on the Trayvon Martin case tonight on their respective HLN programs. JVM is on at 7:00 EDT followed by NG at 8:00.
When I see pictures of George volunteering with children and I see the organization he volunteered for... I may waiver a little bit. The whole thing about George passing out flyers after the Collison case, the timing of that information, is suspect at best. If that were true, it would have been revealed a lot sooner... like when it was revealed that he mentored black children.
This same information came from the same person who was adament, at the very beginning, that George had NEVER followed Trayvon at all.
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Ultimately, I agree his affect is off from what I would expect, but when watching crime shows with my wife, we've learned the obvious criminal isn't always THE criminal.
I haven't seen any pictures of George with the children he had mentored. That is what I am saying and the reason I find it suspect.
ETA: What I am saying is that I do not believe George mentored children and I do not believe he passed out flyers during the Collison case. MOO
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That seems like kind of a stretch. How do you know he hasn't or doesn't use racial slurs?
And there are those who may disagree about the profiling with all of his many 911 calls.
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All my posts are MOO!
Halt, face away from me and put the Occam's Razor on the ground now; put your hands on your head and interlace your fingers behind your head.
"Ethics is knowing the difference between what you have a right to do and what is the right thing to do."-Justice Potter Stewart, US Supreme Court Justice 1915-1985