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    Question Miss Universe to Allow Transgender Contestants

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/10/showbi...tml?hpt=hp_bn9

    Los Angeles (CNN) -- The Miss Universe organization announced Tuesday it is ending its ban on transgender contestants after coming under scrutiny recently when a Canadian competitor was told she would be disqualified because she was born male.

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    Perhaps a better idea (for a more level playing field) would be to hold a pageant for transgender people, only. JMO

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    I have heard scant whispers of this on the news as I have not taken much notice. I have a bout of insomnia tonight, so I took the time to read what a person goes through (competition winning wise) to get to the level of even being and entrant into Miss Universe. So....I also took a look to see if this young lady would for lack of better words do the crown proud or was throwing the gender card so to speak in her attempts to enter and make it some kind of freak show. Well, I agree. She is gorgeous and would do the crown proud. So in my opinion they made the right decision and we need to get over it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Portabella View Post
    I have heard scant whispers of this on the news as I have not taken much notice. I have a bout of insomnia tonight, so I took the time to read what a person goes through (competition winning wise) to get to the level of even being and entrant into Miss Universe. So....I also took a look to see if this young lady would for lack of better words do the crown proud or was throwing the gender card so to speak in her attempts to enter and make it some kind of freak show. Well, I agree. She is gorgeous and would do the crown proud. So in my opinion they made the right decision and we need to get over it.
    I don't have any problem with transgender people wanting to be in a beauty contest. I just think that being born one gender and then changing your gender doesn't make all the contestants equal from the get-go. It would be like having a baking competition, but some entrants entered store-bought products instead of baking them, themselves.

    If there were a competition for all commercially made baked goods, would it be an equal competition if someone entered their homemade banana bread, made at home, from scratch?

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    I guess to a point I can see your point. However if use of female hormones is the only thing being used I would not have an issue. Not to be blunt, but if fake boobs were implanted for example, I don't think it would be fair to judge them say in a swimsuit competition and the others to have to have natural boobs. This does open a can of worms in a way where it must be dissected and scrutinized. However, when it comes to facial features, hair, shape, etc. I think its fair because that is something this person has to work for just as hard as another girl to be that attractive, plus have some God given beauty and genetics involved too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Portabella View Post
    I guess to a point I can see your point. However if use of female hormones is the only thing being used I would not have an issue. Not to be blunt, but if fake boobs were implanted for example, I don't think it would be fair to judge them say in a swimsuit competition and the others to have to have natural boobs. This does open a can of worms in a way where it must be dissected and scrutinized. However, when it comes to facial features, hair, shape, etc. I think its fair because that is something this person has to work for just as hard as another girl to be that attractive, plus have some God given beauty and genetics involved too.
    Most contestants have had "enhancements," so what's the difference? It's estimated that 30% have had plastic surgery, and according to the article below, the Miss Universe contest ENCOURAGES it. Can you imagine? (See article below.) Then, too, remember the infamous "Miss California," where pageant officials actually paid for her boob jobs?

    Many surgically alter their figures by using duck-taped cleavage, girdles and even chicken breasts taped into their swimsuit brassieres.

    http://www.getmeso.com/blog/385/plas...e-contestants/

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    It's already a mixed playing field with au naturel contestants and those who have had operations done.

    Miss Universe openly accepts contestants who have had cosmetic and plastic surgery and over the years it has been a topic hotly debated.
    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/ar...#ixzz1rjds8CDf

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    I really don't see why it was an issue to begin with. I'm glad they changed their stance.
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    I'm inclined to think that if the competition is about which plasticized woman is the most beautiful, then plastic surgeons should be receiving the awards for their artist creations.

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    I don't agree with this whatsoever.

    This may not be a popular opinion, but I think this whole transgender thing is a mental illness. You aren't born in the "wrong body". You are mentally ill. And not that someone with a mental illness shouldn't be allowed to be in a pagent, I just don't think someone who was born a male and changed into a woman is now considered a real woman. JMO, IMO and all that jazz.

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    This may not be popular either...But I respectfully agree we disagree....
    I don't think its mental illness because many have felt they were in the wrong body starting at as early an age as two or three years old. Can you imagine how horrid that would feel. I cannot imagine, but I try to, I just feel for the ones who cannot afford to alter their bodies to reflect who they truly are. I may be an odd old lady, but I could accept them as much as anyone else. IMHO... I am just happy to see people are starting to come around and accept people of alternative lifestyles....Its long overdue.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopeful One View Post
    I don't agree with this whatsoever.

    This may not be a popular opinion, but I think this whole transgender thing is a mental illness. You aren't born in the "wrong body". You are mentally ill. And not that someone with a mental illness shouldn't be allowed to be in a pagent, I just don't think someone who was born a male and changed into a woman is now considered a real woman. JMO, IMO and all that jazz.
    JMO. It's a bunch of bikini clad young people in a silly competition about who is the prettiest of them all. I don't see why being "a real woman" would be necessary at all in order to take part.

    :kimsterwink: I think they should have some aliens competing to justify the title "Universe" :kimsterwink:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopeful One View Post
    I don't agree with this whatsoever.

    This may not be a popular opinion, but I think this whole transgender thing is a mental illness. You aren't born in the "wrong body". You are mentally ill. And not that someone with a mental illness shouldn't be allowed to be in a pagent, I just don't think someone who was born a male and changed into a woman is now considered a real woman. JMO, IMO and all that jazz.
    "Mental illness" is rather a loaded word, Hopeful One.

    True psychoses are, by definition, incurable (though modern meds may moderate the symptoms). Yet gender dysphoria seems to be cured by changing one's gender. So I wonder how did you reach your conclusion?

    (As for whether it's fair to allow transgenders to compete in a beauty pageant, off the top of my head I can't think what unfair advantage they would have--particularly since plastic surgery is already allowed at Miss Universe.

    Allowing transgenders to compete as women in the Olympics, on the other hand, might well be problematic, since the Y chromosome might given them stronger bones, muscles, etc.)

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    Remember the Seinfeld episode where Jerry's gf had "man hands"? That's what I mean about a level playing field. Maybe there are some body traits that men are born with, vs. women (disregarding the obvious, thank you), that would make the competition unequal.

    If anything, I guess it would put the formerly male contestant at a disadvantage (man hands, and all that).

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    But it's never been a level playing field anyway. It was never the sort of competition that anyone can enter and win if they try hard enough, not without a happy accidental combination of genetics. I was born and raised a female and I have feminine hands but they would all die laughing if I attempted to enter. The majority of womenfolk are at a disadvantage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donjeta View Post
    But it's never been a level playing field anyway. It was never the sort of competition that anyone can enter and win if they try hard enough, not without a happy accidental combination of genetics. I was born and raised a female and I have feminine hands but they would all die laughing if I attempted to enter. The majority of womenfolk are at a disadvantage.
    I'm sure you are beautiful, Donjeta, but you are right about this much: beauty pageants have almost always recognized very limited definitions of beauty.

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