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    Bringing over from previous thread:

    Quote Originally Posted by katydid23 View Post
    I didn't see anyone blaming her for his death. And I think that maybe the emotions are running so high that people are jumping to unfair conclusions about what others are referring to or implying, imo.

    I think it may come into question in court, because the way the testimony is right now, it IMPLIES that the last thing she heard was her boyfriend being jumped by a racist killer. So it is going to be asked, inevitably,what did you do in response ?

    It is kind of a catch 22, because the prosecution is going to want it to be crystal clear that she heard the last moment of her boyfriends life. They need that to be communicated to the jury to dispel the notion of self defense on GZ's part. But if they make that crystal clear, that she could tell he was jumped by the stranger, then that nagging question will arise. Who did you call? Did you tell anyone?

    I don't think it is out of line to look at what the defense is going to do when the trial happens.
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    Yes, and that goes both ways. There's certainly no monopoly on objectivity on either side of this case.

    If you haven't seen this girl repeatedly bashed, then I'm afraid you haven't been reading Trayvon's threads long enough.

    I think it's quite possible that she may have been afraid to call the police due to a cultural belief that many blacks seem to share - that LE is not to be automatically trusted. But then I don't really know exactly when or whom she told. None of us do. Nevertheless I see her as a victim.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Velouria View Post
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    Yes, and that goes both ways. There's certainly no monopoly on objectivity on either side of this case.

    If you haven't seen this girl repeatedly bashed, then I'm afraid you haven't been reading Trayvon's threads long enough.

    I think it's quite possible that she may have been afraid to call the police due to a cultural belief that many blacks seem to share - that LE is not to be automatically trusted. But then I don't really know exactly when or whom she told. None of us do. Nevertheless I see her as a victim.
    I personally have never seen her bashed.

    I've seen a lot of people surprised - as in, how does this fit into the puzzle - when she did nothing after hearing that exchange and then the phone went dead permanently.

    It's a curiousity, is all. Considering how hysterical girls at that age can be, and how melodramatic and very attached they often are - I feel like there's a piece of this puzzle missing when I hear she did nothing.

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    Trayvon Martin’s father says he warned son..


    Years before the killing of Trayvon Martin grabbed the nation’s attention, the teen’s father warned him that his race could make him a target of violence.

    The advice Tracy Martin gave his black son, that people veiled by racism and prejudices might see him as suspicious or violent, is a common and continuous warning in many black families, parents and experts say. In the aftermath of Trayvon’s death, more families are having “the talk,” teaching sons to be aware of their race, avoid confrontations with authority figures, and to remain calm in situations even if their rights are violated.

    “I’ve always let him know we as African Americans get stereotyped,” Tracy Martin, Trayvon’s father told USA TODAY three weeks after his son’s death. “I told him that society is cruel.”

    http://tucsoncitizen.com/usa-today-n...he-warned-son/

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeannaT View Post
    I personally have never seen her bashed.

    I've seen a lot of people surprised - as in, how does this fit into the puzzle - when she did nothing after hearing that exchange and then the phone went dead permanently.

    It's a curiousity, is all. Considering how hysterical girls at that age can be, and how melodramatic and very attached they often are - I feel like there's a piece of this puzzle missing when I hear she did nothing.

    I do believe you don't think she has been bashed here.

    Again, we don't know for a fact whom she told, or when she told them.


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    Quote Originally Posted by songline
    Since the police did not get to her till later on.
    since Mr. Martin got to her first. I have a list of suspisions.
    But how can we know.

    BBM: Seriously, now the girlfriend has done something wrong by coming forward? It's not her fault LE did NOT contact her, it's LE's fault.

    We have stooped to a new level, bashing the victim's family and friends...

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    From the last thread Jeanna T

    As I recall, Trayvon's phone was locked. I don't know how it became locked, that'a bit of a mystery.

    I don't see how they could have possibly known his identity if he wasn't carrying any ID - and his phone was locked.

    I do still wonder about why the girl had no way to reach anyone who should be notified. I would think that would be absolutely terrifying to hear that call, and I can't believe she doesn't have SOME way to know who this young man's family was.

    edited to add: I am really curious now about how his phone would have gotten locked.


    SPD, a professional LE agency, couldn't even be bothered to put two and two together that Trayvon lived where he died. It was beyond them to canvas the condos and knock on doors, which is standard operating procedure in a homicide. In fact LE not only did not knock on any doors they were out of there so quick Trayvon's parents never saw any evidence of a crime by the time they got home from dinner.

    And yet, we want people a couple of hundreds of miles away to be able to do a job that LE couldn't do?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Velouria View Post
    I do believe you don't think she has been bashed here.

    Again, we don't know for a fact whom she told, or when she told them.
    We know she didn't make any contact with his mother or brother (mother's son) or that would have been part of the story. The story begins with an 8 am call from Tracey Martin to LE to report him missing.

    Kids circle and keep each other's secrets. That's all I can come up with to think why she wouldn't have alerted his mother. He was already in significant trouble, and running to the family would very likely cause them to be aware of yet another piece of trouble Trayvon was in.

    Knowing kids, and how they huddle and don't tattle, all I can think is she thought he was probably fine and telling on him would reveal something to his parents he didn't want revealed.

    Can anyone else think of another reason she would keep this mum?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeannaT View Post
    I personally have never seen her bashed.

    I've seen a lot of people surprised - as in, how does this fit into the puzzle - when she did nothing after hearing that exchange and then the phone went dead permanently.

    It's a curiousity, is all. Considering how hysterical girls at that age can be, and how melodramatic and very attached they often are - I feel like there's a piece of this puzzle missing when I hear she did nothing.
    And I'm wondering what this has to do with anything since it would not have changed the outcome of Trayvon ending up dead. The girl has no superpowers.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JeannaT View Post
    We know she didn't make any contact with his mother or brother (mother's son) or that would have been part of the story. The story begins with an 8 am call from Tracey Martin to LE to report him missing.

    Kids circle and keep each other's secrets. That's all I can come up with to think why she wouldn't have alerted his mother. He was already in significant trouble, and running to the family would very likely cause them to be aware of yet another piece of trouble Trayvon was in.

    Knowing kids, and how they huddle and don't tattle, all I can think is she thought he was probably fine and telling on him would reveal something to his parents he didn't want revealed.

    Can anyone else think of another reason she would keep this mum?
    AFAIK, we don't know she kept anything mum. Not sure how it would change things even if she did. The probable cause statement is clear that Trayvon was doing nothing wrong.


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    Phone being "locked" = password protected. No big mystery there.
    If there's hink....there must be stink.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SuziQ View Post
    And I'm wondering what this has to do with anything since it would not have changed the outcome of Trayvon ending up dead. The girl has no superpowers.
    No, she couldn't have affected the outcome.

    But I believe this paints kind of a different picture of what actually was going on - what Trayvon was telling her, and the brief conversation she overheard.

    As she tells the story, any girlfriend would have been in a terror panic after hearing that. The fact that she didn't react like a girl terrified for the safety of her boyfriend colors my perception of what actually took place, and what actually she overheard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeannaT View Post
    We know she didn't make any contact with his mother or brother (mother's son) or that would have been part of the story. The story begins with an 8 am call from Tracey Martin to LE to report him missing.

    Kids circle and keep each other's secrets. That's all I can come up with to think why she wouldn't have alerted his mother. He was already in significant trouble, and running to the family would very likely cause them to be aware of yet another piece of trouble Trayvon was in.

    Knowing kids, and how they huddle and don't tattle, all I can think is she thought he was probably fine and telling on him would reveal something to his parents he didn't want revealed.

    Can anyone else think of another reason she would keep this mum?
    There is no reason at all to assume that she did "keep it mum". For all we know she could have told her parents, her friends, Trayvon's friends, and anyone else. There was NOTHING that would have changed! He was killed within seconds of the call being dropped! She probably called and texted and called again and again. There is again, NOTHING, that she could have done that would have changed anything at all. It is NOT THE JOB of a 15 year old girl to locate him! It was the job of SANFORD police to identify him and notify his family. It was the job of SANFORD police to find the phone and request the records and contact anyone with incoming or outgoing calls in the time frame of interest. They didn't do their job, but a 15 year old girl is to be blamed for not doing it FOR THEM???

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    Quote Originally Posted by tehcloser View Post
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    Phone being "locked" = password protected. No big mystery there.
    Well it's obviously a mystery to me.

    So when you are on the phone, if you become disconnected because the phone drops, it locks itself and the phone owner would have to get back in with a password to call the person back? We don't own any phones that are password protected, so I don't know.

    I thought you had to lock a phone. I know the phones in my house, you pick them up and you can get in to them with no password. But people can lock them, if they chose, like if you don't want to have a pocket call or something.

    I use an old rickety phone and don't play around with my family's better newer iphones.

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    BBM But, by making this statement, are you not assuming the GF is black?


    Quote Originally Posted by Velouria View Post
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    BBM

    Yes, and that goes both ways. There's certainly no monopoly on objectivity on either side of this case.

    If you haven't seen this girl repeatedly bashed, then I'm afraid you haven't been reading Trayvon's threads long enough.

    I think it's quite possible that she may have been afraid to call the police due to a cultural belief that many blacks seem to share - that LE is not to be automatically trusted. But then I don't really know exactly when or whom she told. None of us do. Nevertheless I see her as a victim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeannaT View Post
    Well it's obviously a mystery to me.

    So when you are on the phone, if you become disconnected because the phone drops, it locks itself and the phone owner would have to get back in with a password? We don't own any phones that are password protected, so I don't know.

    I thought you had to lock a phone. I know the phones in my house, you pick them up and you can get in to them with no password. But people can lock them, if they chose, like if you don't want to have a pocket call or something.

    I use an old rickety phone and don't play around with my family's better newer iphones.
    Yep that's what happens. After a few seconds of being idle, the phone locks itself.
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    More Phone issues

    It's seems whoever serves on the jury will be hearing a lot about phones, and listening to recordings.

    According to prosecutors Zimmerman didn't utter a racial slur. I'm not sure what to make of that, or if the FBI is still investigating the civil rights allegations of the case. The last article I've seen on the Feds investigation was back in March.

    http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/201..._racial_s.html

    AND

    It sounds like she's relying on the mother's testimony that it's Martin and not Zimmerman yelling for help, but voice matching software has been used in other cases and that seems like better evidence to present to the jury.

    http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20...-2-experts-say

    Not sure where she's going with case.

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    Sending extra prayers to Trayvon's parents today as I know they will never get to experience these wonderful moments in Trayvon's life and I am going to cherish this day because I know how lucky I am to have this wonderful young woman in my life (and I actually LOVE her boyfriend).
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    Quote Originally Posted by tehcloser View Post
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    Phone being "locked" = password protected. No big mystery there.
    Good point. TM could have used a setting that "locked" the phone after it had not been in use for X number of minutes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeannaT View Post
    We know she didn't make any contact with his mother or brother (mother's son) or that would have been part of the story. The story begins with an 8 am call from Tracey Martin to LE to report him missing.

    Kids circle and keep each other's secrets. That's all I can come up with to think why she wouldn't have alerted his mother. He was already in significant trouble, and running to the family would very likely cause them to be aware of yet another piece of trouble Trayvon was in.

    Knowing kids, and how they huddle and don't tattle, all I can think is she thought he was probably fine and telling on him would reveal something to his parents he didn't want revealed.

    Can anyone else think of another reason she would keep this mum?
    Keep what mum from who/whom? We have no idea if she knew Trayvon's family's phone #s. This is 2012, almost all teens and most adults have cells. I only know senior citizens who still have land lines. Trayvon was miles away walking. Did she know his exact location when the phone went dead? Could she even imagine that her boyfriend was shot dead? I am over twice her age and don't know anyone personally who was killed by a bullet. How long had they been sweet on each other. Had she been to his home? Would she even know where he lived with his mother? Why on earth would you think she was keeping secrets? We don't know yet. We really don't know. She is a minor. A child caught up in nightmare that I hope someday won't haunt her dreams. I for one will give her the benefit of the doubt. JMO IMO MOO
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    Quote Originally Posted by gxm View Post
    Good point. TM could have used a setting that "locked" the phone after it had not been in use for X number of minutes.
    TM would not have had to "use" it, it's automatic.
    If there's hink....there must be stink.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tehcloser View Post
    Yep that's what happens. After a few seconds of being idle, the phone locks itself.
    So, this follow up is really unrelated but I'm curious.

    If you have a password protected phone, and you lose it, you're SOL? No one can open it to look through your contacts, or answer it if it rings?

    (Phones with GPS on them could be found again, I guess, but without GPS, you would never have your phone returned).

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    Quote Originally Posted by LolaMoon08 View Post
    Is she white? Asian? Latina?
    The only photo of her that I've seen had her face blurred out. The one where she is standing next to TM. She has a dark complexion, from what I can tell, I would guess she is either AA or Latina, but I could be wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeannaT View Post
    No, she couldn't have affected the outcome.

    But I believe this paints kind of a different picture of what actually was going on - what Trayvon was telling her, and the brief conversation she overheard.

    As she tells the story, any girlfriend would have been in a terror panic after hearing that. The fact that she didn't react like a girl terrified for the safety of her boyfriend colors my perception of what actually took place, and what actually she overheard.
    Well let's say they had a normal conversation, she heard nothing to alarm her, and then they hung up. The call lasted from 7:12 - 7:16. 911 calls started coming in about 15 seconds later reporting shouting. The shot was heard at 7:16:41 and the police arrived at 7:17 and Trayvon was dead. That's such a tiny window of time for an unarmed teen to do something that made Zimmerman fear for his life and shoot Trayvon. Zimmerman's story just doesn't make any sense to me.

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