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    Quote Originally Posted by Fairy1 View Post
    This whole case is so bizarre. LE just left that house today - having been there since Monday. I just don't believe the father is the killer. He's terribly injured and the murder weapon hasn't been found.

    http://www.lvrj.com/news/police-boy-...148004695.html

    A 10-year-old girl who was beaten to death in a brutal double slaying this week also had been raped, sources said Wednesday.

    Multiple law enforcement sources confirmed that Karla Martinez was raped and killed in her home sometime between Sunday morning and Monday morning.
    ITA. One of the articles stated he was in the hospital with a serious head injury.
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    Horrific. Had to be someone or people they knew...maybe from the gym? I'm puzzled as to why the son didn't call LE instead of waiting till he went to school? Just bizarre and very lucky that the 2 boys weren't killed also. I think there had to be more than one perp and one heck of a fight put up by the sounds of the investigation. Rings of the Gee case in IL. imo

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    Quote Originally Posted by hollyblue View Post
    Horrific. Had to be someone or people they knew...maybe from the gym? I'm puzzled as to why the son didn't call LE instead of waiting till he went to school? Just bizarre and very lucky that the 2 boys weren't killed also. I think there had to be more than one perp and one heck of a fight put up by the sounds of the investigation. Rings of the Gee case in IL. imo
    Maybe there was no phone?
    Evil don't look like anything...

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    I am thinking someone from a rival gym - someone with a bad attitude who was thrashed in a competition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shelby2 View Post
    Maybe there was no phone?
    The perp(s) could have taken the phone(s).

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    Quote Originally Posted by stillwatersc View Post
    I am thinking someone from a rival gym - someone with a bad attitude who was thrashed in a competition.
    I'd go there, if not for the rape and murder of the little girl. It takes a special kind of monster to do that. Someone with the personality of Joseph Duncan.

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    I have been checking LV papers every day and nothing...what is going on here??
    Just my opinion, of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cluciano63 View Post
    I have been checking LV papers every day and nothing...what is going on here??
    BBM

    I'm wondering the same thing. I've been searching online every day for more news, and nothing new.

    I hate to be so cynical and awful, but under the circumstances some bad thoughts are going through my head, and it would be nice to see some information released that proves me wrong...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fairy1 View Post
    This whole case is so bizarre. LE just left that house today - having been there since Monday. I just don't believe the father is the killer. He's terribly injured and the murder weapon hasn't been found.

    http://www.lvrj.com/news/police-boy-...148004695.html

    A 10-year-old girl who was beaten to death in a brutal double slaying this week also had been raped, sources said Wednesday.

    Multiple law enforcement sources confirmed that Karla Martinez was raped and killed in her home sometime between Sunday morning and Monday morning.
    IMO the most telling statement is from this article

    The 9-year-old boy, as well as a 4-year-old boy found at the bloody crime scene, were taken into custody by child welfare officials. A source said the shell-shocked children might have been in the home with their dead family members for more than 24 hours.
    If the deaths occurred more than 24 hours before, Mom and sis were dead.... father injured why would the kid not go for help earlier? Unless someone was preventing him from going. And if there was an intruder/killer that means the intruder/killer knew the father was alive. Why would an intruder/killer leave the father and son alive as witnesses? Why take a chance that the father/defender of the home would come after the intruder? That 24 hour period to me indicates that IMO father did it. He prevented the boy from going for help, probably while he cooked up a good story. When he thought he firgured it out, he sent the boy for help.

    Yes father was injured too. But that could have been either a suicide attempt or self inflicted. Wouldn't be the first time a domestic inflicted their own injuries either in an attempt at suicide or to give some support to a story that someone else broke in a killed the family members. Or it could have been the result of the mother catching the father raping daughter. She could have gone after him with the hammer and he took it away from her then used it on her.

    Kid knew when he went to the school that Mom and Sis were dead. So it was over by the time he left. He left the 4 year old at home, to me that indicates that likely father was concious when he left. Otherwise he would have taken the little brother with him.

    IMO the story the father will give is an intruder, broke in tied him and boys up, raped the daughter, killed the mother and it took them that long to get free. But IMO the story the boy will tell is that father did it, father kept him from going for help.

    However LE won't confirm that until they get some forensic testing done to prove it and until they can interview the father and the kids. They don't want defense attorney saying there was a rush to judgement and accusation.

    There is one very remote possibility...... if they were in the country illegally, and if they had fallen behind on their payments to the smugglers it has been known for the smugglers to do similar crimes in order to send a message about what happens when you don't pay up. The smugglers try to make sure suspicion falls on father. But that is a pretty remote possibility.
    Just when I think that I have seen the most depraved things a human can do to another human, somebody posts a new story...........

    Why is it that when a custodial parent fails to provide for a child it is called neglect and is a criminal matter. But when a non custodial parent fails to provide it is called failure to support and is a civil matter?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fairy1 View Post
    This whole case is so bizarre. LE just left that house today - having been there since Monday. I just don't believe the father is the killer. He's terribly injured and the murder weapon hasn't been found.

    http://www.lvrj.com/news/police-boy-...148004695.html

    A 10-year-old girl who was beaten to death in a brutal double slaying this week also had been raped, sources said Wednesday.

    Multiple law enforcement sources confirmed that ********** was raped and killed in her home sometime between Sunday morning and Monday morning.
    I am curious why a 10 year old rape/murder victim is named in the story. [I have redacted her name because that's just my way of thinking] Is it because she is deceased? It just bothers me to read that. IMHO

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    Quote Originally Posted by mysteriew View Post
    IMO the most telling statement is from this article



    If the deaths occurred more than 24 hours before, Mom and sis were dead.... father injured why would the kid not go for help earlier? Unless someone was preventing him from going. And if there was an intruder/killer that means the intruder/killer knew the father was alive. Why would an intruder/killer leave the father and son alive as witnesses? Why take a chance that the father/defender of the home would come after the intruder? That 24 hour period to me indicates that IMO father did it. He prevented the boy from going for help, probably while he cooked up a good story. When he thought he firgured it out, he sent the boy for help.

    Yes father was injured too. But that could have been either a suicide attempt or self inflicted. Wouldn't be the first time a domestic inflicted their own injuries either in an attempt at suicide or to give some support to a story that someone else broke in a killed the family members. Or it could have been the result of the mother catching the father raping daughter. She could have gone after him with the hammer and he took it away from her then used it on her.

    Kid knew when he went to the school that Mom and Sis were dead. So it was over by the time he left. He left the 4 year old at home, to me that indicates that likely father was concious when he left. Otherwise he would have taken the little brother with him.

    IMO the story the father will give is an intruder, broke in tied him and boys up, raped the daughter, killed the mother and it took them that long to get free. But IMO the story the boy will tell is that father did it, father kept him from going for help.

    However LE won't confirm that until they get some forensic testing done to prove it and until they can interview the father and the kids. They don't want defense attorney saying there was a rush to judgement and accusation.

    There is one very remote possibility...... if they were in the country illegally, and if they had fallen behind on their payments to the smugglers it has been known for the smugglers to do similar crimes in order to send a message about what happens when you don't pay up. The smugglers try to make sure suspicion falls on father. But that is a pretty remote possibility.
    I wondered that myself; if it is done as an example to others of what could happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacie Estes View Post
    I am curious why a 10 year old rape/murder victim is named in the story. [I have redacted her name because that's just my way of thinking] Is it because she is deceased? It just bothers me to read that. IMHO
    Yes I am pretty sure she would not be named if she was still alive.
    Just my opinion, of course.

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    Children can be very heavy sleepers. Maybe the boys slept through all of it.

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    What a horrible, horrible crime! That little girl was so beautiful, sweet, and innocent looking. And her mother was pretty too. I wonder if someone tied up or held back the father and made him watch what happened to his wife and daughter before hitting him in the head. It would have to be a very vicious and angry person to do what was done to those people. I too wonder if the boys slept through the whole thing. Personally, I don't think the father did it. It seems like it was done by someone who wanted to get revenge against the family for some reason. I hope whoever did it is caught and punished.

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    this case is just too quiet for comfort. I wonder what's going on behind the scenes?

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