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    I enjoyed the article's mention of Pius's attempt at a long distance exorcism of Hitler...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gardenlady View Post
    I enjoyed the article's mention of Pius's attempt at a long distance exorcism of Hitler...
    And you once referred to Daily Mail as "a rag"! (It is of course, lolol.) It serves its purposes (i.e., a certain sugar-rush-like effect in the mornings.)

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    No no no, it's the Daily Wail! It IS a rag... But I love it. Much like the church? Shouldn't, but I do!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gardenlady View Post
    Ohhh, Fr Amorth really needs to retire and find a hobby. Too many years of exorcisms lol.

    When he first came out with the Harry Potter stuff, it created a huge uproar on catholic blogs, with folks divided into two camps as to whether he was right or not. Much wailing, teeth gnashing, etc. Former admirers of his who happened to also be Harry Potter fans had no idea what to think.

    Although really, sex parties wouldn't surprise me at this point.
    Think of it as the Italian version of Bohemian Grove.

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    I'm kind of horrified, imaging some of the priests I've known being involved in sex parties! Then again, when I was a teen, there was Father-what-a-Waste, a young, black haired Irish priest assigned to our parish. He managed to make a cassock sexy.
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    So a little more OT, sorry, but it had been a while since I'd read anything about Bohemian Grove, so I moseyed over to Wikipedia to refresh m memory of it, and loved this quote at the end of the article:

    "The Bohemian club! Did you say Bohemian club? That's where all those rich Republicans go up and stand naked against redwood trees right? I've never been to the Bohemian club but you oughta go. It'd be good for you. You'd get some fresh air."—President Bill Clinton to a heckler


    I so miss that man.
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disapp...anuela_Orlandi

    Emanuela Orlandi (born 14 January 1968) was a citizen of Vatican City who mysteriously disappeared on 22 June 1983. Sightings of Emanuela in various places have been reported over the years, even inside Vatican City, but all have been unreliable. The Orlandi case is still unsolved.



    Disappearance


    Orlandi was in her second year at a liceo scientifico (a scientific high school) in Rome. Although the school year had concluded, she continued to take flute lessons three times per week at the Tommaso Ludovico Da Victoria School, connected with the Pontificium Institutum Musicæ Sacræ (The Pontifical Institute of Sacred Music). She was also part of the choir of Saint Anne’s Church. Orlandi, the daughter of a Vatican bank employee who lived with her family inside Vatican City, just across the river from the Basilica, was the fourth of Ercole and Maria Orlandi's five children
    Emanuela usually travelled by bus to the music school. She would get off the bus after a few stops and then walk six or seven hundred feet (180 to 210 meters). On 22 June 1983, Emanuela was late to class. She later explained her tardiness in a phone call to her sister, during which she said she had a job offer from a representative of Avon Cosmetics. Her sister suggested she talk it over with their parents before making any decisions. Emanuela allegedly met with the Avon rep shortly before her music lesson. At the end of the lesson, Emanuela spoke of the job offer with a girlfriend, who then left the girl at a bus stop in the company of another girl. Emanuela was allegedly last seen getting into a large, dark-colored BMW.

    Chronology


    At 15:00, Thursday, 23 June, her parents called the director of the music school to ask if any of their daughter's classmates had information. The police had suggested waiting because "perhaps the girl was with friends". That same day Emanuela was officially declared a "missing person". Over the next two days, announcements of the disappearance were published with the telephone number of the Orlandi house in the newspapers Il Tempo, Paese Sera and Il Messaggero.
    At 18:00 on Saturday, 25 June, a phone call was received from a youth who claimed to be a 16-year-old boy named "Pierluigi". He reported that together with his fiancée, he had met the missing girl in Piazza Navona that afternoon The young man mentioned Emanuela’s flute, her hair, and the glasses that the girl did not like to wear, along with other details that fit the missing girl.According to "Pierluigi", Emanuela had just had a haircut and had introduced herself as "Barbarella"] He claimed she stated that she had just run away from home and was selling Avon products.
    On 28 June, a man calling himself "Mario" called the family and claimed to own a bar near Ponte Vittorio, between the Vatican and the Music School. The man said that a girl called "Barbara", a new customer, had confided to him about being a fugitive from home but said that she would return home for her sister's wedding. On 30 June, Rome was plastered with 3,000 posters containing Emanuela Orlandi's photograph.

    On Sunday, 3 July, Pope John Paul II, during the Angelus, appealed to those responsible for Emanuela Orlandi’s disappearance, making the hypothesis of kidnapping official for the first time. Two days later, the Orlandi family received the first of a number of anonymous phone calls. Emanuela was supposedly the prisoner of a terrorist group demanding the release of Mehmet Ali Ağca, the Turkish man who shot the Pope in Saint Peter's Square on 13 May 1981 No other information was given. In the following days, other calls were received, including one from a man identified as "The American", due to his apparent accent, who played a recording of Emanuela's voice over the phone. A few hours later, in another phone call to the Vatican, the same man suggested an exchange, of Orlandi for Alì Ağca. The anonymous interlocutor mentioned the "Mario" and "Pierluigi" of the earlier telephone calls, defining them as "members of the organization".

    On 6 July, a man with a young voice and an American accent informed ANSA news agency of the demand for an Orlandi-Ağca exchange, asking for the Pope’s participation within 20 days and indicating that a basket in the public square near the Parliament would contain proof that Orlandi was indeed in his hands. These were to have been photocopies of her Music School I.D., a receipt, and a note handwritten by the kidnapped girl. However, the Magistrate who was overseeing Orlandi’s case did not believe that there was a credible connection between the Orlandi abduction and the Pope's assailant.
    On 8 July, a man with an alleged Middle Eastern accent phoned one of Orlandi's classmates saying Orlandi was in his hands and that they had 20 days to make the exchange with Alì Ağca The man also asked for a direct telephone line with then-Vatican Secretary of State Agostino Casaroli. The line was installed on 18 July. A total of 16 telephone calls were made by "The American" from different public telephone booths.
    On the morning of 14 May 2001, the parish priest of the Gregory VII Church near the Vatican discovered a human skull of small dimensions and lacking a jaw in a bag with an image of Padre Pio in a confessional. It has not been officially identified as Orlandi's skull.
    Ercole Orlandi, Emanuela's father, died in 2004, one month after giving his last interview.

    Theories


    Over the years a number of theories regarding the motives for the crime have been broached in the Italian press.

    Orlandi-Ağca connection theory


    Ağca, who once declared that Orlandi had been kidnapped by Bulgarian agents of the Grey Wolves, a Turkish ultra-nationalist, neo-fascist youth organization of which Ağca was a member, spoke about Orlandi during a prison interview with Italy's RAI state television, telling the interviewer that the girl was alive, not in danger, and living in a cloisteredconvent.[citation needed] He denied any direct knowledge of the girl's fate, though, saying that he had made "some logical deductions". With no evidence to support these claims, the case was closed in July 1997.
    In mid-2000, Judge Ferdinando Imposimato, based on what he had learned about the Grey Wolves, declared that Orlandi, by then an adult, was living a perfectly integrated life in the Muslim community and that she had probably lived for a long time in Paris. He remains the only supporter of this idea and of the Orlandi-Ağca connection.
    In a letter published in 2006, Ağca claimed that Emanuela Orlandi and another girl, Mirella Gregori, both of whom vanished in 1983, were abducted as part of plan to secure his release from prison. He claimed that the girls were whisked away to a royal palace in Liechtenstein.

    Ağca was temporarily released from an Istanbul prison after serving 25 years in Italy and Turkey for the murder of Abdi İpekçi, a prominent Turkish journalist. However, he was quickly imprisoned again, the release seemingly a "mistake". Ağca was permanently released from a Turkish prison in January 2010.[citation needed]

    On 9 November 2010, Mehmet Ali Ağca was interviewed by state television in Turkey-TRT's Kozmik Oda Program for the first time after his release the prior January. In that interview as well as declaring that the Vatican organized the assassination attempt he also said that Orlandi was kept as a prisoner by the Vatican (for Ağca) and was then living in a Central European country as a nun in a Catholic monastery.
    He added that Orlandi's family could see their daughter whenever they liked, but that she was not allowed to leave the monastery. (Reference, TRT 2, and Milliyet)


    De Pedis theory


    In 2011, the former Banda della Magliana member Antonio Mancini implied that Orlandi's kidnapping was one of a number of strikes that the gang was making against the Vatican in order to force the restitution of large amounts of money they had lent to the Vatican Bank through Roberto Calvi's Banco Ambrosiano. On 14 May 2012, Italian police exhumed the body of gangster Enrico De Pedis, having received a tip-off that the tomb contained clues as to the fate of Emanuela.

    Vatican sex scandal theory


    In May 2012, exorcist Gabriele Amorth claimed that Emanuela was kidnapped by a member of the Vatican police for sex parties, then murdered. Amorth claims that the incident also involved the officials of an unnamed foreign embassy.
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    http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/vatican-spe...-claim-1639756

    Vatican spent fortune hiding missing teenage girl Emanuela Orlandi in London, leaked documents claim

    Orlandi, who disappeared 1983, remains Italy's most famous missing person case.







    Emanuela Orlandi mysteriously disappeared on June 22, 1983. While in her second year at a scientific high school in Rome, Orlandi vanished after leaving her family's Vatican City apartment to go to a music lesson in Rome

    The Vatican spent nearly 500 million lire (€258,000; £227,788) to keep one of it female citizens away from the city state, contrary to widespread beliefs that the girl was kidnapped in 1983 and later killed, according to an Italian journalist.


    The claims could open a new chapter for one of Italy's most famous unresolved mysteries.
    Emanuela Orlandi, a Vatican citizen, was 15 years old when she mysteriously vanished after attending a piano lesson in Rome in June 1983. Police have been trying to solve her case for decades, but her fate remains unknown.
    Italian journalist Emiliano Fittipaldi has now alleged he is in possession of documents detailing how the Vatican spent more than 440 million lire to keep the girl away from the city state between 1983 and 1997.
    Fittipaldi said he is in possession of, among other documents, a five-page-long letter written by Cardinal Lorenzo Antonetti, the then head of the Administration of the Patrimony of the Apostolic Headquarters (Apsa) .
    The journalist claimed the letter was written in 1998 to accompany nearly 200 pages that include invoices and documents "that proved to [the Vatican's] secretary of state the costs incurred for Emanuela Orlandi between 1983 and 1997".
    Large sums were spent for, among other things, the rent of a building in Chapman Road, London.
    "The documents outline new scenarios on a matter people have been extensively written and speculated about," Fittipaldi wrote on La Repubblica newspaper.
    "The Vatican has always denied it has more information than what has already been shared by judges who have been investigating the case for the past 34 years.
    "The piece of paper I am holding is disturbing. If the document is not genuine, it means that a fabricated and devastating dossier has been making rounds for almost three years," he continued.
    "If the document is real,it will open – for the first time – unthinkable and clamorous holes in one of the most obscures events of the Holy See."
    The letter, published in full on La Repubblica, was addressed to monsignors Giovanni BattistaRe and Jean-Louis Tauran. However, Battista Re denied he has ever seen such document.
    "I have never seen that document published by Fittipaldi and I have never received any expense sheets for the Emanuela Orlandi case," he was quoted by news agency Ansa as saying.
    Most of the documents are included in Fittipaldi's latest book, The Impostors, due to be published soon.
    "It seems that the Vatican found the girl – kidnapped by who knows whom – and decided to transfer her to female hostels in London, " the journalist wrote on his Facebook wall.
    "For 14 years it paid fees, medical expenses and transfers. At least until 1997, when the last entry [in the documents] speaks of a transfer to the Vatican and the 'completion of final procedures'."
    Vatican spokesperson Greg Burke slammed the claims as "false and ridiculous".


    Theories behind Orlandi's mysterious disappearance
    If authentic, the documents obtained by Fittipaldi could open a new chapter on the case, which Italian magistrate decided to close last year, in spite of Orlandi family's repeated appeals.
    More than thirty years after the teenage girl vanished, her case remains one of Italy's most mysterious crimes and several theories have sprung up to explain what happened to her.
    The day she disappeareared, Orlandi had asked to leave the piano class early. She then called her sister Federica explaining that she had received a job offer for Avon Cosmetics. She was last seen that evening, near a BMW, from which an Avon satchel was visible.
    Among other hypotheses, it is believed that Orlandi was kidnapped by people who then demanded the release of Mehmet Ali Agca, a Turkish national who had shot and wounded the then pontiff, Pope John Paul II.
    Another theory sees the mob being involved with Orlandi's kidnapping.
    In 2011, Antonio Mancini, the former head of the Banda Della Magliana – a now defunct Rome-based criminal organisation with links to politicians and the mafia – claimed the group had kidnapped the girl.
    Mancini claimed the girl was abducted to blackmail the Vatican and ask for the restitution of large sums the Banda had invested in the Institute for the Works of Religion (Ior), commonly known as the Vatican Bank.
    Orlandi's father, Ercole, used to work for the Vatican Bank.
    In 2012, Italian authorities exhumed the body of Enrico De Pedis, another member of the Banda, after the gangster's former girlfriend claimed he had kidnapped the girl. She also claimed she had seen De Pedis disposing of Orlandi's body.
    The same year, Italian priest and exorcist of the Diocese of Rome, GabrielePietro Amorth, claimed Orlandi had been kidnapped and forced to take part in sex parties. The late priest also claimed the girl was later killed and her body had been disposed of.
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