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    AZ - Salt River, Wht/NtvMale UP10400, 45-59, Mar'12 - Name not found

    http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news...-man-4-16-2012

    Age: 45 to 59
    Height: 5'6" to 5'9"
    Sleight Build. Bilateral well-healed fractures of the nasal bones.
    Clothing: Tan shorts, brand name "Kirra" size 30W, white "AVIA" C238 shoes, and a white shirt.

    Link has a sketch and a picture of the shoes.
    Not in NamUS yet.
    Last edited by CarlK90245; 03-19-2013 at 09:10 PM.

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    Andres Valenzuela :

    https://www.findthemissing.org/en/ca...se_information

    Specifically - age/height/weight look correct - also says: Nose operation due to broken nose.

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    What is the dentition on the remains found? Is this known? There are certain characteristics ofr American Indian dentition.


    Anthropologists for more than a century have been intrigued by the biological similarities between Siberians and North American Indians. Christy Turner II of Arizona State University has studied the changing physical characteristics of Native American teeth, especially in their crowns and roots, and has compared them with those of Old World Asian populations.


    The dental features studied by Turner are more stable than most morphological traits. There is a high genetic component that minimizes the effect of environmental differences, sexual dimorphism, and age variations. Turner has studied more than 4000 individuals, ancient and modern. From this, he has developed a series of hypotheses about the first settlement of the Americas based on dental morphology.

    Prehistoric Americans display many fewer variations in their dental morphology than do Eastern Asians. Turner calls these features sinodonty. It is a pattern of dental features that includes shovel-shaped incisors, single-rooted upper first premolars, triple rooted lower first molars and other attributes.

    (My note: what kind of frequencies are observed? Three-rooted lower first molars are reported in 25-40% of Eskimo-Aleuts and 6% for most North American Indian groups.) The cornerstone of Turner's hypothesis is this: sinodonty only occurs in northern Asia and the Americas. Sinodonty does not occur among the neighboring Mal'ta people of Lake Baikal or in the Stone Age Ukraine.


    http://www.uic.edu/classes/osci/osci...Non-Metric.htm

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    Shovel incisors are more common in East Asian populations and especially in Native American populations.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shovel-shaped_incisors

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    Several diagnostic characteristics are visible on teeth. Two teeth can indicate ancestry: central incisors and molars. People of Asian and Native American ancestry will have y-5 pattern molars and shovel-shaped incisors (the lingual, or tongue side, of the tooth is “scooped out”), while people of European ancestry have bilophodont molars (translated from the Latin, that means “two ridge tooth”) and incisors that are straight and smooth on the lingual side.

    https://fcmdsc.wordpress.com/tag/sho...aped-incisors/

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    Hi there,

    I'm from the area and I just wanted to point out that while much of the native land is quite a ways from the city, the place where this man was found is just a hop skip and a jump north of Mesa, and east of Scottsdale. I don't know if names of cities helps in any way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacie Estes View Post
    Several diagnostic characteristics are visible on teeth. Two teeth can indicate ancestry: central incisors and molars. People of Asian and Native American ancestry will have y-5 pattern molars and shovel-shaped incisors (the lingual, or tongue side, of the tooth is “scooped out”), while people of European ancestry have bilophodont molars (translated from the Latin, that means “two ridge tooth”) and incisors that are straight and smooth on the lingual side.

    https://fcmdsc.wordpress.com/tag/sho...aped-incisors/
    So this, or something like this, would be how they are able to say in the article that he is either Caucasian or Native American? Or can they tell from the DNA? Sorry if that is a stupid question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daisy.faithfull View Post
    So this, or something like this, would be how they are able to say in the article that he is either Caucasian or Native American? Or can they tell from the DNA? Sorry if that is a stupid question.
    Yes, that is probably how they arrived at that assessment, in addition to structural features of the skull, such as the shapes of the eye sockets and nasal aperture, and the amount of forward projection of the bridge of the nose and the maxilla, and also from the amount of arch formed by the teeth.

    But they can also tell a likely race from DNA.

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    https://www.findthemissing.org/en/ca...nt_page=photos

    Would the staples/scars/etc show up on a "Not recognizable - Near complete or complete skeleton" ?

    TIA

    I was thinking that Joseph Griffin (above link) had close set eyes very similar to the sketch.


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    I'm getting a permission error on the NamUs profile, but cannot find any further info.



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