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    Quote Originally Posted by pinktoes View Post
    Gary Sinderson was quiet for awhile but he has another brief article. Snipping here; quote follows his reporting about Sherburne's dismissal. He says that a source close to that situation said:

    "...new information obtained could be "devastating" to the court cases..." of Curley and Schultz.

    http://www.wjactv.com/news/news/rece...ry-case/nMgQg/
    I think Schultz almost as good as convicted now. I'm wondering if it might have been messages about what McQueary reported.


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    This is the fullest timeline I've seen. http://citizensvoice.com/news/timeli...#axzz1sYNIlucT

    Here's an excerpt over 1998-9 when Jerry decides to quit.

    ** May 13, 1998: Detectives listen in as the mother of Victim 6 confronts Sandusky about showering with her son and the effect it had on her son. She asks Sandusky if he had sexual feelings when he hugged her naked son. Sandusky admits showering with other boys as well, but refuses to promise that he never to shower with a boy again. The mother of Victim 6 asks Sandusky if his "private parts" touched Victim 6 when he hugged him. Sandusky says, "I don't think so ... maybe."

    ** May 15, 1998: Sandusky speaks at State College Area High School commencement ceremonies at the Bryce Jordan Center on the Penn State campus.

    ** May 19, 1998: Sandusky meets again with the mother of Victim 6, who says he cannot see the boy anymore. Sandusky, overheard by two detectives who are listening in, says: "I understand. I was wrong. I wish I could get forgiveness. I know I won't get it from you. I wish I were dead."


    ** June 1, 1998: Sandusky admits to Jerry Lauro, an investigator with the Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare, that he showered naked with Victim 6 and hugged the boy while in the shower. He concedes that his behavior is wrong and promises not to shower with any child again.

    June 19, 1998: Sandusky hosts the annual Second Mile golf outing.

    ** Jan. 1, 1999: Sandusky coaches in Penn State's 26-14 win over Kentucky in the Outback Bowl. Victim 4 tells investigators he traveled to the bowl game with Sandusky's family party. The same boy said he often stayed with Sandusky and the team at the Toftrees resort near the Penn State campus the night before home games and accompanied Sandusky to charity outings.

    ** May 1999: Paterno tells Sandusky that he would not be the next coach. Victim 4 later tells investigators he remembered Sandusky being upset after seeing Paterno. Sandusky told the victim not to tell anyone about the meeting.

    July 1, 1999: Athletic director Tim Curley issues a press release announcing Sandusky's decision to retire following the 1999 season. The release says Sandusky planned to devote himself full-time to his charity, The Second Mile. In his 2000 autobiography, "Touched," Sandusky says he decided to leave after he "came to the realization I was not destined to become the head football coach at Penn State." Curley calls Sandusky "an integral part of Penn State" and "an inspiration to everyone inside and outside the program." His achievement as a human being, Curley says, "is splendidly demonstrated by the thousands of youngsters he touches annually through The Second Mile."

    Speculation: If campus police came so close in 1998 with victim 6, were they and others watching Sandusky's treatment of victim 4 and finding it creepy if not criminal? Did Jerry get pushed because of something else he did at that time?
    Whatever happened when he quit happened fast.


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    Quote Originally Posted by StellarsJay View Post

    Speculation: If campus police came so close in 1998 with victim 6, were they and others watching Sandusky's treatment of victim 4 and finding it creepy if not criminal? Did Jerry get pushed because of something else he did at that time?
    Whatever happened when he quit happened fast.
    I think that one of the problems with this (or perhaps the only problem) is the time lapse.

    The University Police, and Gary Schultz, knew about Victim 6 by June 2, 1998. Sandusky didn't make his announcement until July 1999 and was still coaching until December. That's an 18 month gap.

    I would add that, at the start of the 1998 Season, Jay Paterno was promoted.
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    That statment by Curley -- "His achievement as a human being is splendidly demonstrated by the thousands of youngsters he touches annually through The Second Mile -- is about as creepy as it gets. I assume Curley is an intelligent man. It's hard to believe he could have known about the investigation in 98 and used that language.


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    Quote Originally Posted by J. J. in Phila View Post
    I think that one of the problems with this (or perhaps the only problem) is the time lapse.

    The University Police, and Gary Schultz, knew about Victim 6 by June 2, 1998. Sandusky didn't make his announcement until July 1999 and was still coaching until December. That's an 18 month gap.

    I would add that, at the start of the 1998 Season, Jay Paterno was promoted.
    But there is only 5 months in between victim 4 attending the Outback Bowl with Sandusky and Paterno telling Sandusky that he would not be Penn State's next head football coach.

    The progression reminds me very much of an addict whose addictive behavior gets steadily worse over time. He barely avoids prosecution in June 1998 and promises it won't happen again. Of course, he doesn't stop. He can't stop. In fact, his behavior becomes more egregious, forcing his enablers to break through their denial. He is forced to retire. But the addiction is not addressed. It's not going to stop. It's not going to go away. He back in trouble in 2002. As a result, he's not allowed to bring children on campus. Once again, the addictive behavior is not address. He continues to molest children. Eventually he winds up driving to Clinton County to groom a child. A long way from the time he was able to "wine and dine" children at bowl games as a member of Penn State's coaching staff. He's finally hit his bottom. He's arrested. He, we pray, will never molest children again.

    The above scenario is played out within families over and over. The family attempts to coverup one of the family member's addictive behavior and the behavior only escalates. But the addict will hit bottom, sooner or later. JMO.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BigCat View Post
    That statment by Curley -- "His achievement as a human being is splendidly demonstrated by the thousands of youngsters he touches annually through The Second Mile -- is about as creepy as it gets. I assume Curley is an intelligent man. It's hard to believe he could have known about the investigation in 98 and used that language.
    That literally made me shudder while reading it. If nothing else, it's incredibly insensitive to the victims.

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    Can someone remind me why Barbara Petito had been in the State College/Bellefonte area shortly before that press release about the drug bust (photo showing gricar, corbett and others) in 2005?

    I'm cross-posting this on Missing/Gricar thread because I need help with this question from people who may read there but not here.

    A lot of these press and PR folks know each other. And, I think, know things that haven't been made public. Petito, formerly AG office's spokesperson, had also headed up reporting on the State College beat for wjactv, and Gary Sinderson was there at the time (and since 1983) and took over that beat sometime after BP left.

    Bill Moushey, co-author of the new book Game Over, also did some AP writing (without byline). I just read an AP article out of Johnstown from Jan 2002 where Petito made a statement for AG's office about a non-related fraud case.

    And recently Petito surfaced again. Hoping the competitive spirit will get us more investigative reporting.

    (BTW, for some reason I'm unable to get my clicks on the thanks button to post, but I'm thanking you guys on my end. Consider yourselves thanked by pinktoes. Another mystery)

    Repeating my question: Can someone remind me why Barbara Petito had been in the State College/Bellefonte area shortly before that press release about the drug bust (photo showing gricar, corbett and others) in 2005?


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    Quote Originally Posted by BigCat View Post
    That statment by Curley -- "His achievement as a human being is splendidly demonstrated by the thousands of youngsters he touches annually through The Second Mile -- is about as creepy as it gets. I assume Curley is an intelligent man. It's hard to believe he could have known about the investigation in 98 and used that language.
    According to Schultz, he never told Curley about the 1998 (Victim 6). Harmon didn't indicate that he told Curley. Harmon did tell Schultz (I'm not sure he's denying it either).

    For 1998, all road lead to Schultz, on campus.


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    Quote Originally Posted by pinktoes View Post

    Repeating my question: Can someone remind me why Barbara Petito had been in the State College/Bellefonte area shortly before that press release about the drug bust (photo showing gricar, corbett and others) in 2005?
    That is a good question. Until SG's latest article, I had not known they had crossed paths two weeks before.

    The announcement was in State College: http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/press.aspx?id=86

    The only thing I could figure is that she was part of the press staff with Corbett, possibly because she was familiar with the area.


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    Quote Originally Posted by J. J. in Phila View Post
    That is a good question. Until SG's latest article, I had not known they had crossed paths two weeks before.

    The announcement was in State College: http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/press.aspx?id=86

    The only thing I could figure is that she was part of the press staff with Corbett, possibly because she was familiar with the area.
    TY, JJ. I'm so suspicious now, I'm verifying in several places what I read. So far I've found actual press releases authored by Petito into 2005, but not past Ray's disappearance date. Still looking.

    Petito does say she was AG's Deputy Press Sec till 2006. That's from her Linked-In, though, and sometimes people give kinda loose dates on that. If all I've seen is correct, she was still in that AG press position past the date gricar disappeared. (Just away at her relative's event during the crucial time).

    snip from her Linked-in:

    Deputy Press Secretary Public Protection Division
    Pennsylvania Office of Attorney General

    Government Agency; 501-1000 employees; Law Enforcement industry

    1997 2006 (9 years) Harrisburg, Pennsylvania Area

    http://www.linkedin.com/pub/barbara-petito/b/a12/53a

    It's interesting that she left the AG's and went to National Center for Missing and Exploited Children for 2 yrs. as media mgr.


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    Quote Originally Posted by pinktoes View Post
    TY, JJ. I'm so suspicious now, I'm verifying in several places what I read. So far I've found actual press releases authored by Petito into 2005, but not past Ray's disappearance date. Still looking.

    Petito does say she was AG's Deputy Press Sec till 2006. That's from her Linked-In, though, and sometimes people give kinda loose dates on that. If all I've seen is correct, she was still in that AG press position past the date gricar disappeared. (Just away at her relative's event during the crucial time).

    snip from her Linked-in:

    Deputy Press Secretary Public Protection Division
    Pennsylvania Office of Attorney General

    Government Agency; 501-1000 employees; Law Enforcement industry

    1997 – 2006 (9 years) Harrisburg, Pennsylvania Area

    http://www.linkedin.com/pub/barbara-petito/b/a12/53a

    It's interesting that she left the AG's and went to National Center for Missing and Exploited Children for 2 yrs. as media mgr.
    I have, in the past years, seen some media references to her after 4/15/05, but I know that she left about 18 months after the disappearance and went to the next place.

    I found two press released she wrote in July 2005. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Or...27m_working_on

    Here is one from July 2006: http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-148243443.html

    Here is one from about 3 1/2 weeks after RFG disappeared: http://articles.mcall.com/2005-05-07...laimed-freight

    I think it would be far better to discuss anything about Ms. Petito on the Gricar thread, since she not involved in the Sandusky case.


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    Sandusky lawyer called improper



    By Paula Reed Ward / Pittsburgh Post-Gazette


    The lead prosecutor in the case against former Penn State football coach Jerry Sandusky filed an unusual motion in Centre County Court Friday, accusing the defense of improperly using subpoenas and violating an order that protects the names of the alleged victims in the case.

    Senior Deputy Attorney General Joseph McGettigan accused defense attorney Joseph Amendola of revealing the names of people known in court records as "Victims 1 through 10 in a number of subpoenas he's served, including to the Pennsylvania State Police, a Clinton County school district and the Penn State University police."


    The remainder of the article can be read at

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    More from the Post Gazette article written by Paula Reed Ward 4/28/12.

    Senior Judge John M. Cleland previously issued an order directing that
    the names of the victims identified in the two grand jury presentments against Mr. Sandusky "shall remain protected under the seal of the court and may not be disclosed by any person, except pursuant to court order or other authorization of the court."

    According to the March 13 order, subpoenas must include with them a notice, in all capital letters and at least 18-point font the following:

    "The name or any identifying information of the person for whom the records or other information is sought is protected by the seal of the court. Under potential penalty of contempt of court, the person's name or identifying information may not be disclosed to any person except as required to comply with this subpoena."

    According to the attorney general's motion, Mr. Amendola complied with providing the required notice, yet still included the names of the victims in either the body of the subpoena, in attachments or in cover letters.

    "The commonwealth need not underscore to this honorable court the spectacular irresponsibility of treating secret information in that fashion," Mr. McGettigan wrote.

    He alleges that the way Mr. Amendola handled his subpoena power is "manifestly improper."

    Again the article continues www.postgazette.com today 4/18/12


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    http://espn.go.com/college-football/...sandusky-trial

    I'd like to see any answer to this question:
    "The defense lawyer also subpoenaed Steve Shelow, director of Penn State University Police Services, for various records pertaining to eight of Sandusky's 10 alleged victims.

    He also asked Shelow for audio and video recordings made during a 1998 investigation that began when a mother complained that her son had showered with Sandusky. Amendola's letter to Shelow said the '98 investigation had been reclassified from an "incident investigation" to an "administrative file," and the defense wants to know who made that decision.
    Amendola asked Shelow for directives from Penn State's board, president or other officials "that mandated/directed the 1998 Sandusky investigation be handled in any particular manner/fashion by the PSU police department." The 1998 investigation was closed without charges being filed, but the boy in that matter is one of the alleged victims in the current case."

    How long are old investigation files normally kept?


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