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    More theories on the additional victims:
    http://news.findlaw.com/apnews/e634c...d196549ab19cd7
    and
    "Another discovery request, dated March 27, sought nine documents that Amendola said were removed from football coach Joe Paterno's office and copied by state police. Amendola wrote that the documents had undergone a "supervised review" and been protected by a "police seal of evidence."

    It was not clear what the documents were, or when the state police may have taken them."


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    Quote Originally Posted by StellarsJay View Post
    Was the daughter-in-law, Matt's wife, saying only one of her kids complained about Jerry, or did than one?
    Former daughter-in-law said Sandusky abused her son

    In Thomas' statement, she said that after the charges were filed against her former father-in-law, one of her three children [all sons] told her that Sandusky had “inappropriately touched” him.

    She said she was told that there was not enough evidence to charge Sandusky from her son’s account, but a psychologist recommended counseling for him.
    http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive..._charges_.aspx

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    To add to your thoughts - if HLN or In Session covers this case LIVE it would be interesting to watch Sandusky's behavior in the court room - but I feel for the victims - perhaps they could testify and not be filmed.
    Yes, this is one I will certainly watch if possible, and agree about Sandusky. Hope there is someway they can protect the victims' identities but not sure in a criminal trial (right to confront your accuser?) and since most are now adults. IDK, anyone else?

    Quote Originally Posted by StellarsJay View Post
    More theories on the additional victims:
    http://news.findlaw.com/apnews/e634c...d196549ab19cd7
    and
    "Another discovery request, dated March 27, sought nine documents that Amendola said were removed from football coach Joe Paterno's office and copied by state police. Amendola wrote that the documents had undergone a "supervised review" and been protected by a "police seal of evidence."

    It was not clear what the documents were, or when the state police may have taken them."
    This is a great article and has more details about the additional victims...it seems they may be accusers but charges are not made for their cases. Also has information about Curley and Schultz wanting their cases thrown out.

    The criminal charges against the former Penn State assistant football coach only pertain to boys named as Victims 1 through 10 in court records.

    The April 16 discovery request asked for information on "uncharged conduct evidence," while the one filed a week later pertained to employment records.

    The court filing did not name the people, explain what might make them accusers or indicate what role, if any, they play in the criminal case in which Sandusky has denied all allegations.

    "This in all likelihood means that there are other people who have come forward who have accused him of improper sexual conduct," said Wes Oliver, a Widener Law School professor who specializes in criminal law.


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    Curley, Schultz seek dismissal of cases

    http://www.centredaily.com/2012/05/0...dismissal.html

    The two former Penn State administrators who are facing perjury charges for testimony they gave in the Jerry Sandusky case argue there isn’t enough evidence for the case to continue.

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    Judge in Sandusky case orders a hearing on subpoenas

    http://www.centredaily.com/2012/05/0...districts.html

    Senior Judge John Cleland will hold a hearing May 9 on filings by two school districts and The Second Mile that subpoenas from Jerry Sandusky's attorney aren't valid.

    The Mifflin County and Keystone Central school districts, along with The Second Mile, filed motions asking Cleland to quash the Sandusky subpoenas seeking information including student records, psychological evaluations, grade reports and attendance records.

    Mifflin County and Keystone Central argue the information requested in the subpoenas is protected and the defense doesn't have a right to the records.

    More at links....


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    More Penn State child sex abuse accusers: defense

    (Reuters) - There may be more accusers than originally thought in the Penn State University scandal involving former assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky, who has been charged with sexually abusing 10 boys, according to court filings.

    Sandusky attorney Joseph Amendola, in legal papers filed on Thursday in Common Pleas Court in Bellefonte, Pennsylvania, made a reference to "accusers 11 through 17 as well as 18 through an unknown number."

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...84409W20120505


    We knew it, though, didn't we? I'm thinking Amendola will try to use these boys to debunk Sanducky's modus operandi (which looks pretty darn unwavering in victims 1-10, imo). It's a tight rope they're trying to walk-- not sure it's going to work for them because I'm sure the prosecution is more than ready for any cheap trick they can pull out of the hat. As a matter of fact, I'm sensing a spectacular backfire. jmo


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    They ae desparate grasping at anything that they feel will possibly stick.
    It may be too late at this point for JS' defense. You have to try anything, I guess.


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    Oh sure! Attack the victims. Discredit them. That's a very risky defense. And it's like harming the victims all over again.

    Jerry's a goner.

    jmo
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    Quote Originally Posted by azwriter View Post
    Oh sure! Attack the victims. Discredit them. That's a very risky defense. And it's like harming the victims all over again.

    Jerry's a goner.

    jmo

    Amendola is probably trying to see what he's up against. It looks like it is a lot.


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    I feel most defendants facing this kind of trial would take a deal, bow out of it as intact as he can, save his family the horror show. But Jerry is a "defensive" pro, himself-- and I think he'll savor the game, whether he wins it or not, he's in the fight of his life.

    I also feel that he'd enjoy being the center of these young men's attention again, he's sick like that. And Dottie? Well, I'll be surprised if she's not embroiled in her own legal defense within a very short time. jmo


    Meanwhile...

    New PSU trustees elected in Sandusky aftermath

    STATE COLLEGE, Pa. (AP) — Penn State alumni elected three new members to the university board of trustees, including a well-known former football player who recovered from a spinal cord injury and a businessman who has criticized the board's actions after Jerry Sandusky's arrest in a child sex-abuse scandal.

    Alumni elected lawyer Adam Taliaferro, who played for the late coach Joe Paterno; prominent donor and outspoken board critic Anthony Lubrano; and retired U.S. Navy captain Ryan McCombie.

    Election results were announced Friday following more than three weeks of online voting that drew a record turnout of at least 37,000. The new trustees begin their three-year terms July 1.

    Read more: http://www.seattlepi.com/sports/arti...#ixzz1uCSGRgKc


    ...and Louis Freeh has been verrrrrry busy.


    Penn State University trustee: 400 interviewed in Sandusky inquiry

    STATE COLLEGE, Pa. (AP) — Former FBI director Louis Freeh and his team have conducted more than 400 interviews in the internal investigation spurred by child sexual abuse charges against former Penn State assistant coach Jerry Sandusky, a university trustee said Friday.

    Trustee Kenneth Frazier said the investigation includes current and former employees from numerous departments across the university, which employs more than 18,000 at its main campus in State College. The school still hopes the investigation will be completed by the time the next academic year begins in late August. The board still intends to make the full findings and recommendations public, Frazier said.

    and

    As for the Freeh investigation, Frazier said it is being conducted independent of criminal and other investigations and will not interfere with other inquiries. Investigators have also reviewed numerous documents and electronic data. Current and former trustees have been interviewed, along with others in the community.

    “We understand that answers cannot come soon enough for all concerned,” Frazier said, “and I assure you Judge Freeh and his team are moving as quickly as possible.”

    The school has also been implementing new guidelines stemming from recommendations by Freeh that it hopes will improve the protocols involved in identifying and reporting child sex abuse. Frazier said more recommendations may be released by mid-June.

    more at link: http://www.lsureveille.com/news/penn...6#.T6fwzlLl-vk


    Penn State wants this to go away, fast and completely. There had to be a monetary offer to the Sandusky camp to make this all go away as quietly as possible-- right? Does this mean they've already reached the point of no return and the courtroom drama is going forward? Did Jer turn down financial security for his wife while he rots in prison???


    I'm continually stunned by the massive egos involved in these events--


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    Just announced, the AG's Office admitted that the McQueary incident, Victim 2, happened in February 2001, not March 2002: http://www.centredaily.com/2012/05/0...ces-files.html

    I'll lay odds that Amendola has the victim who will testify for the defense. If that happens, you only have strong cases with Victim 1 and Victim 6. Victim 6 has never claimed rape.


    What happened to former Centre County DA Ray Gricar?


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    “It is clear that Mike McQueary was wrong in so adamantly insisting that the incident happened the Friday before Spring Break in 2002,” lawyers Caroline Roberto and Tom Farrell said in an e-mailed statement. “Whether or not Mr. McQueary’s insistence was the result of faulty memory, or questionable credibility, there is no dispute that the statute of limitations has expired on count two and it will be dismissed.”
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...e-says-1-.html

    Nooooo!


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    Quote Originally Posted by StellarsJay View Post
    “It is clear that Mike McQueary was wrong in so adamantly insisting that the incident happened the Friday before Spring Break in 2002,” lawyers Caroline Roberto and Tom Farrell said in an e-mailed statement. “Whether or not Mr. McQueary’s insistence was the result of faulty memory, or questionable credibility, there is no dispute that the statute of limitations has expired on count two and it will be dismissed.”
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...e-says-1-.html

    Nooooo!
    I think the statute of limitations would still apply, because the perjury allegation was based on the grand jury testimony in 2011. The summary "failure to report" might go, but I think the penalty is a small fine.

    I can, and could always, see Sandusky walking on Victim 2 charges.


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    Quote Originally Posted by J. J. in Phila View Post
    Just announced, the AG's Office admitted that the McQueary incident, Victim 2, happened in February 2001, not March 2002: http://www.centredaily.com/2012/05/0...ces-files.html

    I'll lay odds that Amendola has the victim who will testify for the defense. If that happens, you only have strong cases with Victim 1 and Victim 6. Victim 6 has never claimed rape.
    Bolded by me -

    Perhaps, but I had another thought. Amendola has always claimed the shower incident was Feb 2001, because Sandusky knew who the boy was. Up until this point, the AG has been relying on McQueary's testimony to lay foundation for the date in question, but something happened to confirm the actual date to the prosecution.

    Note that they amended the particulars - if the only reason prosecutors learned of the true timeline were because Victim 2 was planning to testify for the defense, I imagine the state might have petitioned to dismiss those charges w/o prejudice, rather than press on with no chance (not a lawyer here, just thinking aloud).

    What if through reciprocal discovery, AG finally learned the identity of Victim 2 and he convinced them of the actual date. Or if perhaps there was some paper trail, possibly linked to the documents that Assistant Athletic Director Sherburne was fired over?

    Consider the timing - about 2 weeks ago, Sherburne was terminated, and sources indicated it was related to the handling of case documents. Let's say the prosecution had time to review the documents, and perhaps there was a interoffice memo relating to the meeting with McQueary that threw the established timeline out of whack. One of the attorneys or investigators meets with McQueary over the discrepancy, and he looks back at the game schedule and realizes when it actually occurred, causing the amendment that now matches Sandusky's recollection.

    Again, this is all speculation, but I am trying to maintain optimism about the state's case.
    "I believe it is an established maxim in morals that he who makes an assertion without knowing whether it is true or false, is guilty of falsehood; and the accidental truth of the assertion, does not justify or excuse him." - Abraham Lincoln


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    McQueary to sue

    Mike McQueary is filing a whistleblower lawsuit against Penn State University.

    http://www.centredaily.com/2012/05/0...notice-of.html
    "I believe it is an established maxim in morals that he who makes an assertion without knowing whether it is true or false, is guilty of falsehood; and the accidental truth of the assertion, does not justify or excuse him." - Abraham Lincoln


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rlaub44 View Post

    Again, this is all speculation, but I am trying to maintain optimism about the state's case.
    Good points.

    From the way they are talking, the statute of limitation on the summary charge of failing to report has expired. It is a very minor charge, that has a minimal fine or possibly less than 90 days. Schultz and Curley are charged with it, but not Sandusky. They are also charged with perjury, the felony.

    I think the failure to report is gone.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rlaub44 View Post
    Mike McQueary is filing a whistleblower lawsuit against Penn State University.

    http://www.centredaily.com/2012/05/0...notice-of.html
    I did not see that one coming. He's still on the payroll.


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