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What will GZ's answer be when he is asked how he, TM and his gun ended up where they did -- even though GZ was headed back to his car?
 
Originally posted by Cher352;
JMO..but in that picture it looks like he is sitting with his legs crossed on the grass. I think that dark grey area on the right is the knee of pants.
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JMO but it looks like it's his arm bent, holding his phone up to his ear.
 
Carried over from last thread:

Florida Native said:
And if it is confirmed by the EMT's what will your position be then?

I am just curious about what it will take to convince people that this was self defense.

I know what it will take to convince me this was murder. It will take the State proving that GZ continued to follow TM and was the aggressor. Then I will firmly believe he should be held responsible. Right now I am going by what I know and when the 911 dispatcher said "we don't need to do that" I heard GZ say "okay". When I see evidence that he wasn't heading back to his truck as he claims, I will change my opinion.
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I'm not going to be sitting on the jury anyway but my personal burden to believe this was a justifiable homicide is much higher than anything released so far.

Unarmed kid. No history of violence. Walking home with candy.

Armed adult. Alleged history of violence. Leaves vehicle in pursuit of unarmed kid. Lack of life threatening or even particularly severe injuries. (Even if he returned to the vehicle though the intent was initially there to follow Trayvon. Why? For what reason other than to confront or detain him?)
 
TonyGatto said:
What will GZ's answer be when he is asked how he, TM and his gun ended up where they did -- even though GZ was headed back to his car?
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I guess this is part of the story where "Trayvon jumps George from behind." So I guess Trayvon was hiding in wait as George passed the open area the first time and he made it all the way to the other side to get the address... on the way back... I guess Trayvon just says "What the hay!!" and jumps George from behind! How they got so far down that sidewalk?? I have no idea?? Trayvon had to have dragged him pretty far?

MOO
 
I want to know what that email says that George can't remember writing?? I guess it's supposed to be about Tracy?? I bet the FDLE has been keeping a realllll close eye on George and his computer activity! His website alone is damaging and shows a man with no remorse. I am going to fall out if he had the audacity to write negative things about Tracy Martin and then get up in that courtroom and apologize for killing their son!

Hope we get a doc. dump on Monday!
 
LolaMoon08 said:
I guess this is part of the story where "Trayvon jumps George from behind." So I guess Trayvon was hiding in wait as George passed the open area the first time and he made it all the way to the other side to get the address... on the way back... I guess Trayvon just says "What the hay!!" and jumps George from behind! How they got so far down that sidewalk?? I have no idea?? Trayvon had to have dragged him pretty far?

MOO
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That's why prosecutors are confident and brought a murder charge. It's all fine when people believe GZ, saying he walked back toward his car and was attacked. But when he is cross-examined, it will not stand. I still think a murder conviction is going to be difficult -- but at this point I think a manslaughter conviction is looking like a slam dunk.
 
LolaMoon08 said:
I want to know what that email says that George can't remember writing?? I guess it's supposed to be about Tracy?? I bet the FDLE has been keeping a realllll close eye on George and his computer activity! His website alone is damaging and shows a man with no remorse. I am going to fall out if he had the audacity to write negative things about Tracy Martin and then get up in that courtroom and apologize for killing their son!

Hope we get a doc. dump on Monday!
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Yeah, WTH was that all about?? And who did he send the email to? And how did police find it?

ETA: Ok it seems that it was a text message not an email, so police would have gotten it off of his phone.
 
TonyGatto said:
That's why prosecutors are confident and brought a murder charge. It's all fine when people believe GZ, saying he walked back toward his car and was attacked. But when he is cross-examined, it will not stand. I still think a murder conviction is going to be difficult -- but at this point I think a manslaughter conviction is looking like a slam dunk.
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I think we are jumping a little ahead. It is possible he may be granted immunity before it gets to a Jury trial.
 
I think the photo was taken by that witness, John, from his second floor porch or window. I think it was given to O'Mara and O'Mara supplied it to ABCNews. That's what I think.
 
Did the sa have or going to have a,press conference today?
 
magnolia said:
I think we are jumping a little ahead. It is possible he may be granted immunity before it gets to a Jury trial.
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You mean he will win on "stand your ground" -- pre-trial? Doubt that severely.
 
i.b.nora said:
I think the photo was taken by that witness, John, from his second floor porch or window. I think it was given to O'Mara and O'Mara supplied it to ABCNews. That's what I think.
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I think it was relatively close because of how the flash blew out the exposure on the top of his head.
 
What's been bugging me all day is how GZ (what I perceived to be) lied on the stand during his apology today. He said (unless my ears are wonky) that he thought TM was I thought he was a little bit younger than I am or words to that effect. Yet in the 911 call he said something completely different.

Dispatcher

How old would you say he looks?

Zimmerman

He's got button on his shirt, late teens.


Late teens is 17 or 18. George Zimmerman is 28.

That's a bit of a stretch isn't it? I'm all for a fair trial, and I have my own thoughts on this, but it shouldn't be based on lies. what exactly is closer to 28? 25? Does TM look like he was 25 years old? My son isn't much younger than TM (15 in July) and wouldn't be able to pass off as 18!

So yah, this testimony frustrated the heck out of me.

MOO

Mel
 
If I entertained any doubts about a murder charge versus manslaughter Zimmerman's non-apology apology erased them.
 
belle3 said:
Did the sa have or going to have a,press conference today?
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The only thing I heard today was a comment that we haven't seen all of the evidence and we have to wait for the trial.

JMHO
 
Does anyone know if he's made bail yet? Or will that be secretive and he will be whisked away ala Anthony style?
 
Melanie said:
What's been bugging me all day is how GZ (what I perceived to be) lied on the stand during his apology today. He said (unless my ears are wonky) that he thought TM was I thought he was a little bit younger than I am or words to that effect. Yet in the 911 call he said something completely different.

Dispatcher

How old would you say he looks?

Zimmerman

He's got button on his shirt, late teens.


Late teens is 17 or 18. George Zimmerman is 28.

That's a bit of a stretch isn't it? I'm all for a fair trial, and I have my own thoughts on this, but it shouldn't be based on lies. what exactly is closer to 28? 25? Does TM look like he was 25 years old? My son isn't much younger than TM (15 in July) and wouldn't be able to pass off as 18!

So yah, this testimony frustrated the heck out of me.

MOO

Mel
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--he also says--

911 dispatcher:
OK, what’s your apartment number?
Zimmerman:
It’s a home. It’s 1950 – Aw, crap, I don’t want to give it out loud – I don’t know where this kid is [3:40]
..late teens, a kid----equals "a little younger than" 28? i doubt it george.
 
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