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    Weekend Discussion thread 04/21-24/2012

    Weekend Discussion Thread:

    reposting a few of the warnings:

    Salem's warning from last week:

    Okay everybody - LISTEN UP! We are not bashing, accusing or blaming Tori's family here. It won't be allowed.

    Children walk home from school every day without incident. Parents are not perfect, it's just not possible. Tori's parents DID NOT do this to her. TLM and an accomplice DID. That is where the blame goes.

    We had a lot of family bashing in the early parts of this investigation after Tori went missing and a lot of baseless accusations - NONE OF WHICH PROVED TO BE TRUE. Victim and family bashing will not be allowed during this trial.

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    CS looked beautiful in her pin stripe suit with the satiny purple shirt underneath IMO. It choked me up and didn't catch the purple shirt til someone mentioned it. I think it is not a coincidence she wore the top IMO and it goes to show me how much this case means to people especially those who have been dragged into it. Tori really captured the hearts of so many people and no matter how you slice it, where you are in life; MTR crossed the line in such a monumental way. I cannot fathom what kind of defense they will put on when defense is up...cannot imagine. But we shall soon here.

    Yes kudos to all the witnesses that came forward for crown; they were brave and put themselves at many risks by coming forward but yet they did it. Sometimes good comes out of the darkest days and darkest events. I cannot help wonder how many lives Tori will have affected and effected positive change in due to her story. JMO
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    The Judge's quote burns me up. I had to walk away from the computer yesterday because I thought I was having an anxiety attack! How could he say something like this? His character has everything to do with this crime!! Yes, some may interpret it as the Judge saying whether he had 1 or 1000 women makes no difference but he added "worse" part and that really irks me. If he was "pimping" these women, it is evidence that he had no regard for anyone but himself and also explains his behaviour following Tori's murder.

    Lying, cheating and worse, Judge Heeney!!! It has EVERYTHING to do with this crime!

    When the jurors returned, Justice Thomas Heeney cautioned them that testimony that Rafferty was dating numerous women, including an escort who supplied him with money, isn’t relevant to the charges he faces in the Stafford case.

    “All of this may lead you to believe that Mr. Rafferty was a philandering cad or worse . . . Whatever you may think of Mr. Rafferty’s character, it has no relevance to whether he is guilty of the crimes he is charge with,” Heeney said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ~n/t~ View Post
    The Judge's quote burns me up. I had to walk away from the computer yesterday because I thought I was having an anxiety attack! How could he say something like this? His character has everything to do with this crime!! Yes, some may interpret it as the Judge saying whether he had 1 or 1000 women makes no difference but he added "worse" part and that really irks me. If he was "pimping" these women, it is evidence that he had no regard for anyone but himself and also explains his behaviour following Tori's murder.

    Lying, cheating and worse, Judge Heeney!!! It has EVERYTHING to do with this crime!



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    not sure what the logic would be for his statement but as a judge i would think that anything he said would be crafted to NOT cause a mistrial. Guess he could only make a statement down the middle somewhere but try to remind jurors to stick to the facts and convict on the facts. JMO But ya understands the rub to his statement for sure. IMO
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    Quote Originally Posted by snoofer View Post
    not sure what the logic would be for his statement but as a judge i would think that anything he said would be crafted to NOT cause a mistrial. Guess he could only make a statement down the middle somewhere but try to remind jurors to stick to the facts and convict on the facts. JMO But ya understands the rub to his statement for sure. IMO
    Well if that's the case, he should've made that statement 11 witnesses ago. Why yesterday? Because it was a bombshell? Because everyone in that courtroom were probably disgusted by this revelation? The accused child killer didn't like the fact that the audience gasped and complained to his attorney during the break? Was he upset because now the entire country knows the only reason he was "dating" these poor women was to use them and mentally abuse them? Like he did TLM? Promises of love and marriage for money, sex and murder?

    That is the evidence in this case. The truth. It is more relevant than the defense's continuous NECRO music lyrics references made during cross examination that have nothing to do with this case!

    Snoofer, please know that I'm not directing this at you. I'm venting and it is towards this Judge who I'm not very fond of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ~n/t~ View Post
    Well if that's the case, he should've made that statement 11 witnesses ago. Why yesterday? Because it was a bombshell? Because everyone in that courtroom were probably disgusted by this revelation? The accused child killer didn't like the fact that the audience gasped and complained to his attorney during the break? Was he upset because now the entire country knows the only reason he was "dating" these poor women was to use them and mentally abuse them? Like he did TLM? Promises of love and marriage for money, sex and murder?

    That is the evidence in this case. The truth. It is more relevant than the defense's continuous NECRO music lyrics references made during cross examination that have nothing to do with this case!

    Snoofer, please know that I'm not directing this at you. I'm venting and it is towards this Judge who I'm not very fond of.
    I am trying to understand too what he was thinking...scratching my head. JMO Agrees way more relevance than the NECRO music.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ~n/t~ View Post
    Well if that's the case, he should've made that statement 11 witnesses ago. Why yesterday? Because it was a bombshell? Because everyone in that courtroom were probably disgusted by this revelation? The accused child killer didn't like the fact that the audience gasped and complained to his attorney during the break? Was he upset because now the entire country knows the only reason he was "dating" these poor women was to use them and mentally abuse them? Like he did TLM? Promises of love and marriage for money, sex and murder?

    That is the evidence in this case. The truth. It is more relevant than the defense's continuous NECRO music lyrics references made during cross examination that have nothing to do with this case!

    Snoofer, please know that I'm not directing this at you. I'm venting and it is towards this Judge who I'm not very fond of.
    Evidence of bad character can be introduced to rebut good character evidence presented by the defence, but not to infer guilt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snoofer View Post
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    The Judge's quote burns me up. I had to walk away from the computer yesterday because I thought I was having an anxiety attack! How could he say something like this? His character has everything to do with this crime!! Yes, some may interpret it as the Judge saying whether he had 1 or 1000 women makes no difference but he added "worse" part and that really irks me. If he was "pimping" these women, it is evidence that he had no regard for anyone but himself and also explains his behaviour following Tori's murder.

    Lying, cheating and worse, Judge Heeney!!! It has EVERYTHING to do with this crime!



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    not sure what the logic would be for his statement but as a judge i would think that anything he said would be crafted to NOT cause a mistrial. Guess he could only make a statement down the middle somewhere but try to remind jurors to stick to the facts and convict on the facts. JMO But ya understands the rub to his statement for sure. IMO
    It seems that Derstine must have made a very strong argument that the defendant's morals were not to be judged, just his guilt of the crimes as charged. While technically that's true, we all know that there's a connection between immoral character and criminal acts. While one is not necessary to cause the other, they do frequently occur together. There's no way the jury could associate TLM's demonstrated evil character with her apparent deeds and dismiss MR's character in considering his guilt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snoofer View Post
    Maybe the judge made a compromise of sorts; i will allow crown to call them all much to chagrine of defense. But then I will admonish jury about how to interpret this line up of women. Maybe he thought it would be fair that way to both sides. I do on the other hand look at what is fair to Tori; and I think that the truth wins out. But he is a judge and has to be impartial I guess. JMO
    Not picking on you here Snoofer, just a general comment... I think it's important to keep reminding ourselves that we do not KNOW the truth. That is what the trial is for. And, as Ardy said above, the defense still has to present their case.

    At this point in the trial, MTR looks guilty, but I would certainly hope that would be the case as the Crown winds up their side, or else the shouldn't have brought him to trial. In the end we all want justice for Tori! Let's just let justice be done and not jump to conclusions ahead of time. Afterall, that is what we, as society, are asking of the jurors.

    Please don't take this as me defending MTR. I actually suspect he is guilty. I am just admitting that I am not in a position to KNOW, and not all of the evidence is out yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ~n/t~ View Post
    The Judge's quote burns me up. I had to walk away from the computer yesterday because I thought I was having an anxiety attack! How could he say something like this? His character has everything to do with this crime!! Yes, some may interpret it as the Judge saying whether he had 1 or 1000 women makes no difference but he added "worse" part and that really irks me. If he was "pimping" these women, it is evidence that he had no regard for anyone but himself and also explains his behaviour following Tori's murder.

    Lying, cheating and worse, Judge Heeney!!! It has EVERYTHING to do with this crime!



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    That "announcement" was made after there were some legal issues being discussed when the jury left the room. So after the crowd gasped and a jury member "recoiled", Derstine knew he had to attempt some damage control over the unexpected announcement from CS.

    As I've stated before, the Crown cannot bring in character witnesses for the defendent. It is considered prejudicial and cannot be done in the Canadian court system. With that said, the only reason they were allowed to bring all these women in was because they all had some information about the day of and the days following the crime about MR's actions and behaviours regarding the crime.

    If MR had never called, texted anyone that day or spoke about the crime with any of these women, none of them would have been permitted to testify about their "relationship" to him. Thankfully he did have contact with all of them during this time so that they could be brought in to speak of what he had told them or to verify parts of TLM's story such as CS stating that her BBM's to him were undeliverable for a period of time that day. And of course they are permitted to give a bit of background as to how they know the defendent to explain why he was tellng them this stuff.

    It worked very well to the Crown's advantage that he was stupid enough to be blabbing to them all. There could even be more that he didn't say anything to or have contact with on the crucial day that didn't show up on the witness stand.

    So the judge had to issue a disclaimer to tell the jury that these women were not brought in as character references but had actual evidence to present to them. It's a technicality really. Juries are human, and the Crown knew the impact that this "parade" of women was going to have on his image as an innocent dupe. But the jury cannot convict him because they think he's a pig. They have to use the other evidence for that. This parade of women just helps to put things in perspective when the defence starts in on their side of the story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamille View Post
    That "announcement" was made after there were some legal issues being discussed when the jury left the room. So after the crowd gasped and a jury member "recoiled", Derstine knew he had to attempt some damage control over the unexpected announcement from CS.

    As I've stated before, the Crown cannot bring in character witnesses for the defendent. It is considered prejudicial and cannot be done in the Canadian court system. With that said, the only reason they were allowed to bring all these women in was because they all had some information about the day of and the days following the crime about MR's actions and behaviours regarding the crime.

    If MR had never called, texted anyone that day or spoke about the crime with any of these women, none of them would have been permitted to testify about their "relationship" to him. Thankfully he did have contact with all of them during this time so that they could be brought in to speak of what he had told them or to verify parts of TLM's story such as CS stating that her BBM's to him were undeliverable for a period of time that day. And of course they are permitted to give a bit of background as to how they know the defendent to explain why he was tellng them this stuff.

    It worked very well to the Crown's advantage that he was stupid enough to be blabbing to them all. There could even be more that he didn't say anything to or have contact with on the crucial day that didn't show up on the witness stand.

    So the judge had to issue a disclaimer to tell the jury that these women were not brought in as character references but had actual evidence to present to them. It's a technicality really. Juries are human, and the Crown knew the impact that this "parade" of women was going to have on his image as an innocent dupe. But the jury cannot convict him because they think he's a pig. They have to use the other evidence for that. This parade of women just helps to put things in perspective when the defence starts in on their side of the story.

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    Thanks. I get that. But the fact remains that he did it yesterday after 11 witnesses (??) were already called. I can't keep track of all the women so I'm guessing 11 were called to the stand. Furthermore, he added the word "worse". What did he mean by worse? The jury can interpret that as anything. It's the way he worded it that is totally wrong, imo.

    Worse can be a pimp. Worse can be a pedophile. Worse can be a rapist. Worse can be a drug dealer. Worse can be anything.

    IMO, any of the above can lead to a possible motive for the jury.

    I do not feel it is up to him to decide what the jury concludes in their decision of the evidence presented to them which includes that he was paid a lot of money for "pimping" a woman. The others didn't come forward with that admission perhaps they weren't or perhaps they were too embarrassed to admit it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~n/t~ View Post
    Thanks. I get that. But the fact remains that he did it yesterday after 11 witnesses (??) were already called. I can't keep track of all the women so I'm guessing 11 were called to the stand. Furthermore, he added the word "worse". What did he mean by worse? The jury can interpret that as anything. It's the way he worded it that is totally wrong, imo.

    Worse can be a pimp. Worse can be a pedophile. Worse can be a rapist. Worse can be a drug dealer. Worse can be anything.

    IMO, any of the above can lead to a possible motive for the jury.

    I do not feel it is up to him to decide what the jury concludes in their decision of the evidence presented to them which includes that he was paid a lot of money for "pimping" a woman. The others didn't come forward with that admission perhaps they weren't or perhaps they were too embarrassed to admit it.

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    I think that Canadians are sometimes influenced by what is seen in US trials via talking heads like Nancy Grace. In North Carolina, for example, a person's character can be considered by the jury when deciding a verdict. In Florida, absolutely everything about the case can be released to the public well before a trial. Common law does not allow any information about an investigation to be released before trial and a persons prior bad acts cannot be used when determining whether a person is guilty of a specific bad act.

    I think it is important that these rights are protected. I followed the North Carolina cases of Brad Cooper and Jason Young and was really surprised at how much court time was dedicated to smearing the character of the accused. Particularly in the case of Brad Cooper, two weeks of trial time were filled with testimony of the neighbours badmouthing the suspect. At the time, I thought it was a completely irrelevant waste of time, but in the long run, smearing the character of the suspect before presenting evidence of the crime worked in terms of tainting the suspects character and leaving him vulnerable to having all the evidence interpretted in a very negative way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamille View Post
    That "announcement" was made after there were some legal issues being discussed when the jury left the room. So after the crowd gasped and a jury member "recoiled", Derstine knew he had to attempt some damage control over the unexpected announcement from CS.

    As I've stated before, the Crown cannot bring in character witnesses for the defendent. It is considered prejudicial and cannot be done in the Canadian court system. With that said, the only reason they were allowed to bring all these women in was because they all had some information about the day of and the days following the crime about MR's actions and behaviours regarding the crime.

    If MR had never called, texted anyone that day or spoke about the crime with any of these women, none of them would have been permitted to testify about their "relationship" to him. Thankfully he did have contact with all of them during this time so that they could be brought in to speak of what he had told them or to verify parts of TLM's story such as CS stating that her BBM's to him were undeliverable for a period of time that day. And of course they are permitted to give a bit of background as to how they know the defendent to explain why he was tellng them this stuff.

    It worked very well to the Crown's advantage that he was stupid enough to be blabbing to them all. There could even be more that he didn't say anything to or have contact with on the crucial day that didn't show up on the witness stand.

    So the judge had to issue a disclaimer to tell the jury that these women were not brought in as character references but had actual evidence to present to them. It's a technicality really. Juries are human, and the Crown knew the impact that this "parade" of women was going to have on his image as an innocent dupe. But the jury cannot convict him because they think he's a pig. They have to use the other evidence for that. This parade of women just helps to put things in perspective when the defence starts in on their side of the story.

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    In my strong opinion, the reason why that jury gasped was because they sat through woman after woman testifying to dating MR during the same period of time and thinking up to that point, why would he need to do this. Than comes a witness saying he was her pimp and when they take all the evidence and put it together in regards to motif as to why he would just take a child to rape her based on a dare (which made no sense to me from the get go but that's just me) and has a history of older women and not children and a multitude of them, well one and one equals two. IMO That testimony surely shed light on an ulterior motif. That in my opinion, was the death of the defense and the reason why IMO the judge said what he said. He did not tell the jury to disregard the pimp testimony which is the smoking gun because it is the reason so many woman existed in the first place.

    Also, IMO there's NO QUESTION in my mind any longer as to what really happened and the motif behind this crime. As someone else as well as myself here mentioned, child traffickers commonly rape the child first before selling them because they need to have the element of fear of them from the child so they won't scream and yell. Also, he wanted a younger one for that very reason. It could possibly be that Tori was not meant to die that day but put up enough of a fight that MR lost it. I do not believe in any way that this motif will ever be told by MR or TLM and the reason is because she was caught on camera which led to him being caught because when the evidence came out there was no way for her to cover him and explain that away and since they were both going to prison for this crime, they might as well be protected in there because the alternate option for them was their own life.

    I also want to say that the Crown has done an amazing job of driving the point home with very few words.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ~n/t~ View Post
    The Judge's quote burns me up. I had to walk away from the computer yesterday because I thought I was having an anxiety attack! How could he say something like this? His character has everything to do with this crime!! Yes, some may interpret it as the Judge saying whether he had 1 or 1000 women makes no difference but he added "worse" part and that really irks me. If he was "pimping" these women, it is evidence that he had no regard for anyone but himself and also explains his behaviour following Tori's murder.

    Lying, cheating and worse, Judge Heeney!!! It has EVERYTHING to do with this crime!



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    I am sure Judge Heeney knows the law to the infinite detail.

    He may have done the Crown a favor by advising the jury, rather than excluding ALL the testimony of the parade of female witnesses.

    The results of this trial ARE subject to appeal by either side.

    I doubt the Crown would like to have a guilty verdict overturned on Appeal because they violated the rules of evidence.

    Derstine hasn't objected to all this testimony, perhaps because he is content to let the Crown introduce grounds for appeal into the trial, just in case his client is found guilty.

    The Crown needs to be cognizant that violating the accused trial rights to win a guilty plan, would be a short lived victory if lost on appeal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~n/t~ View Post
    The Judge's quote burns me up. I had to walk away from the computer yesterday because I thought I was having an anxiety attack! How could he say something like this? His character has everything to do with this crime!! Yes, some may interpret it as the Judge saying whether he had 1 or 1000 women makes no difference but he added "worse" part and that really irks me. If he was "pimping" these women, it is evidence that he had no regard for anyone but himself and also explains his behaviour following Tori's murder.

    Lying, cheating and worse, Judge Heeney!!! It has EVERYTHING to do with this crime!



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    Canadian law does not allow a person's character to be a factor in deciding guilt.

    "On appeal, the appellant argued that the trial judge failed to instruct the jury that it could not use evidence of his bad character as probative of guilt and that it could not used evidence of the other person’s criminal record and bad character to decide whether it had a reasonable doubt as to there having been only one intruder."

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    ...Late Night News on a Vancover station there was an announcement ...That Steve Harper is giving " families that have chidren that are VICTIMS of Crimes" extra money weekly as they sit thru LENGTHY Trials for their children they have lost ....I think it was 300/week (aprox.) cannot remeber exactly and it did show Tori's Parents when Darren was reading that speak ...IMO this may be a start BUT again in my strong opinion Only .....I want to see the TORI LAW passed ...last check on website said they almost have enough signatures to bring it into Legislature ...again that is only for it to be heard.....I feel it is VITAL that we attempt to keep our children & teeangers safe from harm !....off topic but another teenager girl ...Crystal Iahtail age 14 ,Abirginal heretiage has been missing from Newmarket since Thurs. March 29, 2012 .She is 5' 6" weighs 130lbs shoulder length black hair and police have stated they fear she is in danger and in the downtown Toronto area now !...robynhood
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    ...OMg ...just reading yesterday's post( catching up) and must applaud the posters especially last post by BORGQUEEN.....I AGREE 100 PERCENT and I too am very upset as I write this too ! I was also in tears when I watched the first NEws Reports of TORI missing in 2009 and been glued to this site since ......

    It was actually my OLDEST son who said" mom you must watch ...a little girl named Tori went missing in Woodstock as he knows as a teacher I get extremely upset as I taught children tori's age.This has been every mother's worst nightmare ....and like you Borgqueen survived a terribly emotinally abusive marriage ...long ended a century ago but the wounds from emotional abuse last long . I can also spot an emotinally abusive person easily....I went thru many mnay years of therapy and was given exact profile charcteristics & traits to look for as being aware is crucial in HEALING process as one never wants to enter another one EVER!

    I also have worked in the field as a Special ed teacher trained in behavioral problems in troubled children .....so I am highly trained in this area ...Specialist degree in Sp ED....IMO and it is professinal >>>>many bells ring as I read this trial ! IMO it DOES have a lot to do with the case and do not understand the JUDGES comments ....but I am not a legal expert ....I personally find the courts & judges have a gudelines and if it does not fit into ther boxes of LeGAL RULES in Canada( from the LAw society and those ACTS they have # ( as their LEGAL constitution ) we see what happened yesterday...IMO ...I am stressing...I have seen it personally while I was in court fighting for child support owed !!!!!!....again I am stressing MY OPINIONS as I do not want to upset moderators here......! ...robynhood !

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    “All of this may lead you to believe that Mr. Rafferty was a philandering cad or worse . . . Whatever you may think of Mr. Rafferty’s character, it has no relevance to whether he is guilty of the crimes he is charge with,” Heeney said.
    I didn't like the judge's comment for a slightly different reason than n/t. did.

    I believe the judge was tryig to remind the jury that you can't assume someone is guilty just because you don't like their character or their lifestyle. I think that is a healthy reminder in the court. You have to convict based on the evidence as it pertains to the crime.

    The evidence showing his behaviour and habits, though, in this case might point to the fact that MR is a sexual addict and was constantly in touch with people ensuring he was going to 'get his fix'. If he showed a sudden change in behaviour, then that could be telling. So I hope the judge's comment isn't interpreted as meaning that none of this parade of sexual partners is relevant as evidence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snoopster View Post
    I didn't like the judge's comment for a slightly different reason than n/t. did.

    I believe the judge was tryig to remind the jury that you can't assume someone is guilty just because you don't like their character or their lifestyle. I think that is a healthy reminder in the court. You have to convict based on the evidence as it pertains to the crime.

    The evidence showing his behaviour and habits, though, in this case might point to the fact that MR is a sexual addict and was constantly in touch with people ensuring he was going to 'get his fix'. If he showed a sudden change in behaviour, then that could be telling. So I hope the judge's comment isn't interpreted as meaning that none of this parade of sexual partners is relevant as evidence.

    I would also add the lengthy list of females and their testimony, also shows that none of them expressed any concern that MR had devious sexual desires. The females were from different educational and career backgrounds, some had young children, the relationships varied from single conversations or meetings to fairly lengthy periods of time.

    And as far as I know..........not one of them said anything about any sexual deviancy about MR.

    The defense still has to present their side........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ardy View Post
    I would also add the lengthy list of females and their testimony, also shows that none of them expressed any concern that MR had devious sexual desires. The females were from different educational and career backgrounds, some had young children, the relationships varied from single conversations or meetings to fairly lengthy periods of time.

    And as far as I know..........not one of them said anything about any sexual deviancy about MR.

    The defense still has to present their side........

    JMO
    They werent asked about his sexual appetite or habits. The questions were direct as to the evidence about the back seat, when they dated and how long it lasted.

    That being said a lot of little details are not being asked unless we are just not hearing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ardy View Post
    I would also add the lengthy list of females and their testimony, also shows that none of them expressed any concern that MR had devious sexual desires. The females were from different educational and career backgrounds, some had young children, the relationships varied from single conversations or meetings to fairly lengthy periods of time.

    And as far as I know..........not one of them said anything about any sexual deviancy about MR.

    The defense still has to present their side........

    JMO
    Well I don't remember either the crown or defence asking any of the witnesses about that, so I assume that's why they didn't say
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    Regarding frequency, timing and amounts of payments from CS to MTR, I tried to grab a screen shot from the LFP video to save for reference. I couldn't easily figure out how to post a larger, clearer version here (although it's pretty clear if you watch the video in full-screen mode and then just pause it).



    What you will see though, for the few months leading up to Apr 9, is that the deposits occurred on average every 2-3 days. Sometimes a couple of days in row, and sometimes several days apart. Amounts were typically in the $200 - $500 range, although there were several at $100 (a couple even lower) and one as large as $1000.

    The last deposit before Apr 8 was on Apr 4 for $100.

    Apr 8 there were the 2 deposits,as reported, for $400 at 9:47 and $100 at 2:58. There was another deposit of $300 on Apr 9 at 3:59.

    Then....nothing for almost 2 weeks. Strange.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snoopster View Post
    Regarding frequency, timing and amounts of payments from CS to MTR, I tried to grab a screen shot from the LFP video to save for reference. I couldn't easily figure out how to post a larger, clearer version here (although it's pretty clear if you watch the video in full-screen mode and then just pause it).



    What you will see though, for the few months leading up to Apr 9, is that the deposits occurred on average every 2-3 days. Sometimes a couple of days in row, and sometimes several days apart. Amounts were typically in the $200 - $500 range, although there were several at $100 (a couple even lower) and one as large as $1000.

    The last deposit before Apr 8 was on Apr 4 for $100.

    Apr 8 there were the 2 deposits,as reported, for $400 at 9:47 and $100 at 2:58. There was another deposit of $300 on Apr 9 at 3:59.

    Then....nothing for almost 2 weeks. Strange.
    ya that is strange; what could that mean. IMO
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    Quote Originally Posted by snoofer View Post
    ya that is strange; what could that mean. IMO
    What was the date for the next deposit into his account? I don't have that video file handy. xo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snoopster View Post
    Regarding frequency, timing and amounts of payments from CS to MTR, I tried to grab a screen shot from the LFP video to save for reference. I couldn't easily figure out how to post a larger, clearer version here (although it's pretty clear if you watch the video in full-screen mode and then just pause it).



    What you will see though, for the few months leading up to Apr 9, is that the deposits occurred on average every 2-3 days. Sometimes a couple of days in row, and sometimes several days apart. Amounts were typically in the $200 - $500 range, although there were several at $100 (a couple even lower) and one as large as $1000.

    The last deposit before Apr 8 was on Apr 4 for $100.


    Apr 8 there were the 2 deposits,as reported, for $400 at 9:47 and $100 at 2:58. There was another deposit of $300 on Apr 9 at 3:59.

    Then....nothing for almost 2 weeks. Strange.
    Do you have the video link handy???
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