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    Trial Thread 4/25/2012

    Trial Disuccion 4/25/2012:

    reposting a few of the warnings:

    Salem's warning from last week:

    Okay everybody - LISTEN UP! We are not bashing, accusing or blaming Tori's family here. It won't be allowed.

    Children walk home from school every day without incident. Parents are not perfect, it's just not possible. Tori's parents DID NOT do this to her. TLM and an accomplice DID. That is where the blame goes.

    We had a lot of family bashing in the early parts of this investigation after Tori went missing and a lot of baseless accusations - NONE OF WHICH PROVED TO BE TRUE. Victim and family bashing will not be allowed during this trial.

    Thank you,
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    Please note that everything discussed in court and printed/tweeted is now within the realm of discussion. WS has never and does not now have a policy of "innocent until proven guilty." That is for the court room. Here, we discuss, speculate, theorize and judge according to the opinions we develop from following the case.

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    Last edited by nursebeeme; 04-25-2012 at 07:40 AM. Reason: changed topic to trial discussion

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    Trial Thread 4/25/2012

    It is Wednesday - ready to go?

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    *Bump*

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    Good Morning!

    Justice for Holly Bobo🎀

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    Rafferty trial resumes after a day of legal arguments

    It's expected that last few witnesses in the Crown's case against Michael Rafferty will be heard in the coming days before the defence is able to present its case.

    The jury was not present for Tuesday's legal arguments, so what was discussed cannot be reported until they begin to deliberate.
    http://www.globalnews.ca/rafferty+tr...095/story.html
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    Chapter 1: The day of the kidnapping. The surveillance video showing Rafferty driving up the street outside Tori's school and McClintic walking Tori up the street. Witnesses from and around Oliver Stephens public school will talk about seeing Tori.
    An identification officer will use photographs and maps to show the route from Woodstock to Guelph.
    Tori's mother, Tara McDonald, will testify about the frantic hours the family spent looking for Tori.

    Chapter 2: Terri-Lynne McClintic. "She was an essential part of all that happened," Gowdey said. "I expect her credibility will be a major issue in this case."

    Chapter 3: Guelph -- video surveillance and bank records detailing the events there.

    Chapter 4: the Mount Forest death scene, which the jury will visit. "It will be difficult to go to the very place where this happened, I know that, but understanding the crime scene is crucial to understanding the crime," Gowdey said. Photographs, some of them graphic, will be used to explain "exactly how the killing happened."
    "Unfortunately it is only through them that you can fully understand (the) evidence," Gowdey said.

    Chapter 5: Police interaction with Rafferty.

    Chapter 6: The searches of Rafferty and McClintic's residences and the evidence found.

    Chapter 7: The Honda Civic. What was found inside.

    Chapter 8: Rafferty's connection to the Mount Forest area.

    Chapter 9: Comments Rafferty made to friends after April 8. "He had some interesting things to say to other people about Terri-Lynne McClintic and about the kidnapping itself," Gowdey said.

    Chapter 10: The May 15 weekend and Rafferty's actions.

    Chapter 11: The BlackBerry. The BlackBerry allowed police to track his movements April 8 and after.

    Chapter 12: A recap of the surveillance video
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    If Tori wasn't adbucted, why didn't MR suggest TLM take her into HD with her? Afterall, isn't the defense trying to say TLM asked MR to find a place where she could have a little chat with Tori because she was afraid of MR? If she wasn't abducted, why didn't MR take her into Timmies to pick a treat or use the washroom? Why didn't they all go in together into HD and Timmies, if MR didn't know Tori was abducted? MR could have taken TLM and Tori into BA's house, seeing he wasn't in a hurry, spending about ten minutes with BA? MR knew Tori was abducted, it was his plan and for his sexual purpose just as TLM claims. I for one believe TLM's testimony. She had nothing to lose only something to gain by telling the truth (early release-faint hope clause possibly). If she was lying during her testimony, she could have remained adamant it was MR who stomped and kicked Tori and beat her with the hammer. According to the pathologist's testimony, it was indeterminable who delivered the fatal blows to Tori. MOO
    Rest in peace Tori, Tim and Jeremy.

    "On May 6th, the devil led the vilest form of evil down my driveway and it smiled at me before it took Tim away." Good always triumphs over evil. Keep the faith, justice will prevail. .

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    morning peeps!

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    Why would Tori be afraid of MR? Isn't he a nice guy who "wears his heart on his sleeve"? JMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by matou View Post
    Why would Tori be afraid of MR? Isn't he a nice guy who "wears his heart on his sleeve"? JMO
    Also, he wasn't the one that pushed her into the car. I can't see why a child would be scared of someone that didn't know the child was being abducted but trust the woman that stole her off the street and pushed her into a car. It doesn't add up.


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    In response to the posts about Tori's hammer injuries, these injuries were located at the top of Tori's skull.
    The autopsy showed that Tori had been struck at least four times with a claw hammer on the top of her skull, which is what killed her.
    http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/04...-murder-trial/

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    Quote Originally Posted by matou View Post
    In response to the posts about Tori's hammer injuries, these injuries were located at the top of Tori's skull.
    http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/04...-murder-trial/
    Poor sweetheart must've been sitting (probably in a fetal position) when they were giving her these blows to the head. IMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allanae View Post
    Also, he wasn't the one that pushed her into the car. I can't see why a child would be scared of someone that didn't know the child was being abducted but trust the woman that stole her off the street and pushed her into a car. It doesn't add up.
    Good point. Some of TLM story may be the other way around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matou View Post
    Why would Tori be afraid of MR? Isn't he a nice guy who "wears his heart on his sleeve"? JMO
    And wasn't he the nice guy who turned down the chance to rape her and wanted to get her to a "safe house", not home but to a "safe house"?

    MOO

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    Good-morning.




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