Confusion of detail is pretty par for the course in a new case development as big as this one, particularly in a famous case. NYC is the media nerve center, and a huge amount of reporters are vying for info all at once. They'll all have their sources - at least the ones who regularly cover crime, or who have worked the Patz case, will - and bits and pieces of the story, the flotam and jetsom of the confession, will bob on the waters for some time. Not sure when this picture will come into focus and we will know the real specifics. Takes time, lots depends on when the head honchos of NYPD want the info released.
CNN is still saying Hernandez "choked" Etan and "placed his body in the trash about a block and a half away." It doesn't say anything about bags, boxes or other receptacles, but I would guess that in order to transport the body "a block and a half," it would have to be concealed in something first. Even if SoHo was the sleepy neighborhood in the 70's they keep saying it was, nobody was going to carry an unconcealed dead child for "a block and a half" without someone noticing. I hope...
ETA the link to the CNN article.
Justice is sweet and musical; but injustice is harsh and discordant. - Henry David Thoreau
I am not too familiar with this case, but the question that I have, is what evidence has been collected that points to Mr. Hernandez as Etan's suspected killer and NOT Jose Ramos? I always thought over the years based on circumstantial evidence that Mr. Ramos was the perpetrator. But is it true that Mr. Ramos always maintained his innocence?
It's very mysterious to me. I'm assuming there is information not yet made public by the NYPD, and I do hope we hear more about it soon. I think it was wfgodot who said something earlier about being 65-35 in terms of believing in Hernandez's guilt, and I'm feeling about that way myself right now...
Justice is sweet and musical; but injustice is harsh and discordant. - Henry David Thoreau
But none of it added up to Ramos's ever having been a child killer. He lost the civil case filed against him in the matter, but the burden of proof in those cases is quite lower than that of a criminal felony trial. In all the 33 years since Etan disappeared, the state has never filed criminal charges against Ramos, in spite of the millions spent on solving the Patz case, much of it directed toward investigating Jose Ramos.
The article you linked is a good synopsis of the case as it developed. I'd posted earlier in the thread about what I remembered from the book, but I wasn't clear on some of the details. This was a good refresher!
WSJ article on trash pickup in 1979 and other issues involving Hernandez's statement regarding where he disposed of Etan's body:
Missing Body Is Big Mystery In Patz Case
much more, interesting stuff, at link above---
New York City Sanitation Department spokeswoman Kathy Dawkins declined to answer questions about SoHo's trash pickup schedule in 1979 and wouldn't say whether records still exist on specific garbage routes and the material that was picked up.
"The Sanitation Department is fully cooperating with the police in their investigation," she said.
Etan went missing on the Friday before Memorial Day weekend. Ms. Dawkins wouldn't say what day pickup was scheduled.
"New Yorkers throw out heavy stuff all the time," said a sanitation-industry expert who asked not to be named because of the sensitivity of the case. In 1979, before the adoption of recycling programs, "it was all big black bags—heavy black bags. It's not at all a stretch for a container to have 50, 75 pounds of material in it. You've got a worker who's picking up hundreds of stops in a night."
In the Daily Beast today, a reporter details sanitation workers picking up trash outside the former bodega yesterday morning, at the very hour Etan disappeared 33 years ago. He does not state definitively that trash was picked up on Fridays back then, but it is a very interesting article nonetheless.
The article discusses what may have prompted Hernandez to kill Etan, such as PH's statement that Etan reminded him of his least favorite nephew. One poignant passage reads:
Like the nephew, Etan at 6 was still in those earliest bright-eyed years when everything seems possible. Etan could stride up to the bodega wearing his junior-flight-captain hat and believe he could grow up to become a real flight captain or anything else he wanted.
But Etan also was alone and vulnerable and helpless. Perhaps so much so that he aroused whatever cruelty and anger and lunacy that Hernandez may have had pent up. Hernandez would have needed only a moment to exercise the greatest power anyone can wield, the power to take a life.
The article that Flossie JMO linked to is a fantastic short history of the case.
Ramos has never said he murdered Etan but he has not professed innocence either. Besides confessing to GraBois that he lured Etan to his apartment for sex on the day Etan went missing, Ramos gave details to two separate cellmates.
Each man came back to GraBois with details they could not possibly have known without Ramos telling them, including the names of his other child victims, and the cities where he recruited them. "They'll never be able to convict me because they'll never have a body," one inmate reported Ramos crowing. The other man told of Ramos's confession to sexually abusing Etan, stopping short of an explicit admission of murder. "GraBois knows I did it," the informant quoted Ramos as saying. "And it's killing him because he can't get it out of me."
But there has never been evidence other than his words to connect him to Etan's disappearance and thus he was never prosecuted.
As with Hernandez, in New York there must be evidence beyond someone's confession. That's why LE is looking to corroborate or disprove what Hernandez has told me them.
A large trash bin can be seen in background here while Detective Butler traces the route Etan went missing. I do know if such bins were on Thompson Street - where Pedro claims to have placed Etan.
Detective Butler enters Bodega.
Detective Butler : 'Hi Juan'. 'Have you heard anything?'
Juan : 'No'.
Detective Butler : 'Anybody talking? Anybody saying anything ?'
Juan : 'No - Nothing new.'
Detective Butler : 'Ok thanks a lot - you keep your ears open.'
Above quote from this article since arrest of Pedro. http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/...icle-1.1083765“My father Juan has been cooperating with investigators every single year for the last 30 years,” said the suspect’s nephew, Danny Santana, 22.
Bodega in background 1979.
So if the suspects nephew is the son of Juan - Juan was Bodega owner. That makes the suspect a relative of Juan. - Maybe there is a better way of wording that. So Juan is the Uncle of Pedro ? Or do I have that wrong...It doesn't matter much. I just confused myself. Or are Pedro and Juan brothers...
~Human Beings Are All Members Of One Body.
They Are Created From The Same Essence.
When One Member Is In Pain,
The Others Cannot Rest.
If You Do Not Care About The Pain Of Others,
You Do Not Deserve To Be Called A Human Being.~
A Quote From 13th Century Famous Persian Poet Saadi Shirazi
The article also says that bloodhounds traced Etan's scent to a store 3 blocks away from his home and then the trail went cold.
A retired deputy police chief, who headed the investigation at the time, is quoted saying that the garbage along the route between Etan's home and the bus stop would have been searched. But garbage a block or two further away from the bodega likely would not have been because it was too remote.
Thanks for posting the screenshots of the video! I was not able to do that.
And thanks also, Devilspllaything, for transcribing it. I didn't think of that!
ETA: I see that the nephew is aged 22. Is that present day? What year was he that age?
If Hernandez's confession is true, there are so many unanswered questions. How could the police dogs not have picked up a scent at the bodega or in the street? Granted, news reports in '79 stated the dogs were not immediately on scene, (arrived later that night or next day?) and it had rained. Still, the dogs tracked Etan's scent to a lumber store a block or so further south on Spring St. The manager there said he was quite sure he spotted Etan at his store around 4:30-5:00 p.m. on the day he disappeared, based on a photo police had shown him. The next day, the NY Times stated that police thought it "probably was not Etan" that the lumber store manager saw. (Yet the dogs apparently tracked Etan's scent there?!)
In one of the news reports yesterday, unnamed law enforcement personnel commented that they believed a search of trash in '79 likely would not have been conducted beyond Etan's known path to the bus stop. This boggles my mind if his his scent was picked up further beyond that. (And Thompson Street is just a block from W. B'way!) Could that massive search truly have been so narrow in scope? Perhaps they were just very focused on finding him alive.
Also - it's baffling that Etan was seen by no one. PH told investigators he lured Etan from the bus stop. Reports stated no one ever saw him get on the bus, but did anyone see Etan AT the bus stop? Hard to believe he was so early to the stop that he may have been alone long enough for PH to get to him. W. B'way is not a sleepy little street. The bodega was on the corner. I'm guessing it opened for business well before 8:00 in the morning - the height of the morning breakfast rush. Who opened the store? The stockboy? The manager? Who else was there in the store while this horrible act was happening alongide in the basement? 8:00 on a Friday morning, there had to have been plenty of delivery traffic and foot traffic going by. So sad.
Many prayers and thoughts to the Patz family, who have handled this unimaginable hearbreak with incredible courage, dignity and strength.