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Thread: CA - Sierra Lamar, 15, Santa Clara County, 16 March 2012 - #13

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    Personally I'm leaning towards the bag being left by the perp in that spot thinking that it wouldn't be found for a good while or would be found & kept by someone. With how little attention missing teens get, and how often they are assumed to be runaways by LE, the perp would have been entirely justified in assuming that it was safe for them to quickly drop off the bag in that spot. Imagine their surprise & alarm when Sierra became the focus of so much attention, so quickly.

    IMO, the bag was dropped off after dark & in a hurry after they were done with doing whatever they did with Sierra. The perp wouldn't have wanted to venture into the abandoned building or out back to the water in those circumstances.

    As for the folding of the clothes, I'm torn between the known behavior of rape victims folding their clothes as they are forced to remove them as a way of stalling, and the perp having done it as a part of some OCD type quality (the fact that the bag & books were placed as opposed to tossed suggests the latter).

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    Is there a date on the video where the family talks about the clothes in the bag? IMO Steve and Marlene both talk about the clothes in the bag as if they were extra packed and not what she was wearing. Marlene had the last known photo but she talks about Sierra swapping clothes with friends. Steve says there's no reason for her to pack a bag of clothes like that. Neither shows concern about the sweatshirt in the photo being in the bag. JMO

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    Since Sierra never folded clothes neatly according to her mother, the whole idea of them as loaners for a friend makes no sense. Additionally, no real friend would withhold that information. We do know that a bra & underpants were included in the stack of clothes and that too defeats the idea of Sierra planning to loan them out. Steve and Danielle seemed to want to set that record straight, above all else, so that investigation didn't proceed down the wrong path. You're right, he didn't agonise over the Shark's shirt publicly but in private, he probably froze in fear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuba View Post
    Since Sierra never folded clothes neatly according to her mother, the whole idea of them as loaners for a friend makes no sense. Additionally, no real friend would withhold that information. We do know that a bra & underpants were included in the stack of clothes and that too defeats the idea of Sierra planning to loan them out. Steve and Danielle seemed to want to set that record straight, above all else, so that investigation didn't proceed down the wrong path. You're right, he didn't agonise over the Shark's shirt publicly but in private, he probably froze in fear.
    What i meant by not showing concern over the sweatshirt, IMO they act like it's "not" the sweatshirt in the bag, so there's no need to agonize over it and talk about the clothes as being an extra set. I saw no indication that they thought they were the clothes she last had on.

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    This is my feeling about the statements the family makes to the press.

    It has to be extremely difficult to have such a short amount of time to state what you want to say and very difficult to determine what is important to say to the public to help find Sierra.

    They have strict instructions from LE on what not to say, so they have to be very careful. (could be the reason why the looks, as though no don't say that or be careful what you say)
    It's possible that they might want to say more but can't.

    As far as the clothing goes, I think the original question in the beginning and answers that were given were based on the theory that she may have run away. We now know that's not what happened. So, the media is continuing to ask these questions about the clothes and the family has been instructed by LE to not say what they know. How frustrating that must be, to be ask the same question over and over that you can't answer.

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    That's why i prefaced my comment asking the date of the video.

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    One time the question about the Shark's shirt was asked was when Nancy Grace put it to Marlene who responded that she thought, yes, that it was what Sierra was wearing. She did not say she knew that. She had only seen Sierra at 6 a.m. in her pyjamas and then the boy who rec'd the photo of the Shark's shirt on Sierra shared it with Marlene.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amanda19 View Post
    I am new to this forum. Being a young female myself, I found it disturbing that someone can vanish into thin air like this. Do you guys thing there is a possibility of chloroform having been used in an abduction at all? I also wonder if there are homes in the mountains that has a clear view of Sierras residence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amanda19 View Post
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    It just sounds so brazen for a perp to abduct someone unwillingly from their home.Yes it did happen to Holly Bobo but to my knowledge she lived with no neighbours around. I am so torn on this story. I also wonder if the clothes in the Juicy bag were worn or newly washed. If someone made their way into Sierras house ,Him or they could have sent that last picture and used cloves on the phone to cover their tracks. I wonder if the family used to leave windows open?


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    Quote Originally Posted by GrainneDhu View Post
    My impression was that the business had closed in June of 2011, well before Sierra's family moved in. Am I remembering wrongly?
    I know of no such thing. Have you heard otherwise?
    ?http://florencegear.com/

    Are you speaking of this business? Guess the case could use some investigative reporting...
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    Here is a good map. Red fin is an excellent real estate site, BTW. Not all communities subscribe. On this page you will se an updated map of her house. You can move the map around and you will even see the house/trailer next door to Sierra which dosn't show on most maps.

    Three appears to be action taking place on the property. The bldgs have changed and I can't make out what is now there in front of the warehouse @ 18 Paguita Espana.

    http://www.redfin.com/CA/Morgan-Hill...37/home/845112
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    As I said prior, there is a second electronic gate to the backyard. you can see the well worn path leading to the warehouse. I saw this gate open when I was there. How many people had access to that warehouse is my question.

    ...and to make matters worse, the people to the right of the house appear to have a business there also.

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    This parcel of land requires grooming which means there had to be sufficient landscape people around often...IMO. Maybe even pool cleaning services too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whisperer View Post
    Here is a good map. Red fin is an excellent real estate site, BTW. Not all communities subscribe. On this page you will se an updated map of her house. You can move the map around and you will even see the house next door to Sierra which dosn't show on most maps.

    Three appears to be action taking place on the property. The bldgs have changed and I can't make out what is now there in front of the warehouse @ 18 Paguita Espana.

    http://www.redfin.com/CA/Morgan-Hill...37/home/845112
    I noticed when you zoom in or go to birds eye view it changes. Is the most current what is shown before zooming in or after? I don't know how to tell

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeginnersLuck View Post
    I noticed when you zoom in or go to birds eye view it changes. Is the most current what is shown before zooming in or after? I don't know how to tell
    Can't help you with the zoom. IMO, most current is pre-zoom. I don't know why anything would change on zoom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by krkrjx View Post
    People who live in that subdivision.
    People who own rental property (homes, sheds, land).
    Real estate agents/reps.
    Utility workers: phone, gas/electric/water/trash pick-up, meter readers.
    Gardeners/lawn care workers.
    Construction workers/roofers, handyman-types.
    Carpoolers.
    Taxicab drivers.

    There are likely others that could be added to the list. Most on that list might also know what homes/buildings were for sale/unoccupied or if residents were out of town for extended time.
    I wanted to bring this back up, because you'd be surprised at some of the professions that have been used by serial offenders to do their scouting incognito. A good example is the BTK killer, Denis Raider. In his later years he did a lot of scouting while patrolling in the course of his work as an animal control officer. That is one type of vehicle that people expect to see driving in out of the way neighborhoods, and don't think twice about. You've listed off many other professions that use such vehicles.

    I'm not saying that the perp grabbed Sierra whilst using such a vehicle, but they may very well have used it & their profession in general to scout out many areas like this & their residents, until they passed by a 'desirable target' to focus on. As BTK described the process, the perp would then find excuses to go through that area at various times of day to find when their target was most vulnerable, and then refine their plans from there.

    If this type of scenario were the case here, then this could very well be an individual who is indeed part of the workings of the community, and yet still a stranger to Sierra & her family.

    This is just one scenario type that I find viable. Another that I'm leaning towards is one where some guy not too long out of school met Sierra in passing through one of her friends and developed an unhealthy focus on her without her being aware. Such slightly older, perhaps 'cool' fringe members of friend groups have a track record of talking teenage girls into their cars (or homes, parties as the case may be) for nefarious purposes.

    Of course, the latter line of thought might come from the fact that I just don't trust any male between the ages of 18 & 25 (and that'll get worse once my daughter gets to her teenage years).

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    Bottom line...there is more going on at the end of the cul-de-sac than we were led to believe. Heck, maybe all this means nothing...but I have to throw many more possiblities out there when I see this. This was not a bedroom community. This is an agriculture/working community with some nice homes built in and around it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whisperer View Post
    As I said prior, there is a second electronic gate to the backyard. you can see the well worn path leading to the warehouse. I saw this gate open when I was there. How many people had access to that warehouse is my question.

    ...and to make matters worse, the people to the right of the house appear to have a business there also.
    I see that gate to the left of the driveway, except the road looks like a turnaround. Looking at the road next to/part of the LaMar driveway, it goes all around the property. In fact, the house is almost surrounded by out-buildings. I haven't been near the house in person so am only going by the maps.

    I recall reading the post showing the property records indicating the landlord's export business name, his name, website and tel # (it was a 408 AC). I called the number and it was disconnected. This was about 10 days into the abduction in one of the earlier threads on here. When I am on my computer, I'll look for it later.

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    I wouldn't be surprised if he changed the number or his addy for awhile. LE, FBI and everyone in the know would be hounding him for information. He would be a target for news people. He may need to relocate till this is resolved.

    He has relatives in the area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whisperer View Post
    Bottom line...there is more going on at the end of the cul-de-sac than we were led to believe. Heck, maybe all this means nothing...but I have to throw many more possiblities out there when I see this.
    Yes, it reminds me of the location where Morgan Harrington's body was found. LE & the media made out like it was a hard to reach, hidden place that would only be accessed by someone extremely familiar with that area, but a bit of research from members here revealed that it was in fact fairly easily accessible & could very well have been chosen either through chance or a brief amount of scouting.

    Same idea here - it really doesn't take as much as some people think to get a really basic familiarity with a locale & then blend in. I really hope that LE in this case isn't focused entirely on the locals only theory, as happened in the Harrington case, as this may be someone who was only in the area relatively briefly, perhaps briefly enough that there are no records of their residence there.

    Or they could even be someone who lives in another community & just commutes to the area in the course of their job.

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    LE has said they believe the perp has strong ties to the community. There had to be something that made them say this. My guess is that is someone who works in or for the City of Morgan Hill and they said this because they may think the perp worked/lived on that street at some point.

    Typical profile is white male, 30 something. I think they have an idea on who. By now they have talked to every worker to ever entered that cul-de-sac. Those that can't provide an alibi are up for scrutiny.

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    Found it via google. Property is owned by James Ti Wan Ong, his company at the same address is COL OF USA, LLC, website (with only products listed, no company info) and tel # listed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkewedView View Post
    (snipped) I really hope that LE in this case isn't focused entirely on the locals only theory, as happened in the Harrington case, as this may be someone who was only in the area relatively briefly, perhaps briefly enough that there are no records of their residence there.

    Or they could even be someone who lives in another community & just commutes to the area in the course of their job.

    All JMO
    And maybe LE is sure the answers lie in this community due to information to which we aren't privy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whisperer View Post
    LE has said they believe the perp has strong ties to the community. There had to be something that made them say this. My guess is that is someone who works in or for the City of Morgan Hill.

    Typical profile is white male, 30 something. I think they have an idea on who. By now they have talked to every worker to ever entered that cul-de-sac. Those that can't provide an alibi are up for scrutiny.
    While I hope that is true, I don't take it for granted that LE theories are based on hard evidence. Often in cases where they really don't have much to go on, they will go with what seems most likely via the evidence/scenarios they do have. This feels like a theory based on the logical consensus that the area of her home is not a place a random stranger would target. Alas, the world isn't always a logical place, and there are plenty of cases where serial offenders have gone out of their way to find just such areas to target. Of course, the former scenario is solvable, while the latter is...not so much. Thus it's best if they continue to dedicate the majority of their resources on the solvable scenario, while keeping an open mind about the not so solvable ones.

    As for questioning every worker that's been through there...well, probably the ones who work for the city or major delivery services that would have records of their destinations during work, but to go and check up on everyone who might have been there, such as taxi drivers, smaller delivery guys (think pizza, rent-to-own etc), animal control & such (ones who patrol, no record of where they go), plumbers and the like...well, that's too much for any LEA to be expected to track down, no matter how big the case, IMO.

    Then again, I'm a hope for the best, expect the worst type, so I'm going to root for LE to soon nab a perp who has Sierra alive, while maintaining very pessimistic viewpoints on certain things. So, yeah, take my cynical thoughts with a grain of salt.

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