Many wish to graduate with the people that they have attended the programs with. My criteria is tough but is as well the same across the board for every student as to whether they get to walk or not.
However, if she EVER chooses to drop out or simply decides at the last minute that she does not want to go to College, that money, will be donated to a child that wants to go to College. She will not be able to collect that money. Her parents will give it away to another child before they give it to her to waste on something else.
Graduating, in my family, has always been a big deal. It really is one of those moments when you feel on top of the world. Nothing matches it! It, IMO, would feel a little empty knowing that you were not actually getting a diploma?
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And then, if I had paid a non-refundable fee for graduation, purchased my cap and gown, sent out invitations, and for whatever reason I wound up a class shy... You bet I'd still walk if I was given the chance, knowing I'd just take the class next semester and be done with it. You can characterize it as "feeling empty", but in truth, after working towards the goal for so long... It's just the opposite. And I think that shunning Zimmerman for doing such a thing sends a negative message to anyone else who may be in that position and is just honestly striving to fulfill their educational desires. There's plenty to criticize him for without having to patronize or trivialize his attempt to get a college degree.
ETA: This wasn't necessarily all directed at you, lola. I just piggybacked off of your post.
OT Is it just me or is Google down? I can't sign in at youtube or get google news.
I totally agree that this was an extremely slanted story, made worse by the fact that sources were not cited. It really irritates me, because they could have printed the exact same info with sources.
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Wouldn't facts match after interviewing family, friends, and coworkers, if they are facts?
I find nothing strange about the facts on the article matching facts given by GZ's friends and family that have spoken publicly.
Graduating is a big deal in our family, too. It has become the norm, though, to not get anything on the day but a piece of paper with pick up instructions for the "real" diploma. (But it comes in a pretty folder. )
In recent years I've attended 4 college and 2 law school graduations. None of them received a printed diploma on the day.
Maybe it's legalities, I don't know. But the last time I attended a graduation where someone was handed their diploma as they walked across the stage was in the late 80's--an MBA.
I think the trend of lumping walkers and real grads into the same ceremony is here to stay. I'm sure both walkers and actual graduates receive gifts and checks...the only difference between the two is a diploma.
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Timing has an awful lot to do with the outcome of a rain dance.
Correct, No one has ever denied that or said that there weren't any. What people have lied about, such as Frank Taffe, were the claims that 'all' of them were committed by black kids. It wasn't even a majority, some of them they don't know who did it, looks like the assumption was that it was black kids.
And then we had Taaffe claiming that GZ thwarted a burglary, involving a black kid, when he had no way to know that. This supposed thwarted burglary may have been just another Trayvon, we now clearly see how GZ thinks with Trayvon.
Taaffe's story had become more and more embellished the more he appeared on tv. And GZ sends him a thank you voicemail. Why would someone from GZ's 'camp' need to do that?
And what people have also said is, so what, a few burglaries in 15 months doesn't excuse what GZ did.
I hope and pray that no ones child or loved one, who may be visiting a friend, or walking in a development, or to the store, would ever be mistaken for a criminal by someone with a GZ like mentality.
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The problem with that lengthy pro GZ article is that the majority of statements about GZ's life are simply anecdotal. They are not backed up by citing the source nor by giving any "official" facts.
Bob E, an employee of (such & such) Peru, from the bureau of vital statistics, confirms that MR So & So, is the maternal father of GZ's grandmother and his birth certificate states that he is Black/Hispanic.
Instead, the article just states that the maternal grandmother's father was Afro-Peruvian. It doesn't even say who in the family is suggesting that.
Another example: Ms So & So, a middle school classmate of GZ, says he was a nice guy. Pretty much anyone can find people to state the perception they had of a person's public image. It does not mean that they are privy to the intricacies of the other person's private medical, educational, psychological, financial, or legal history. Just saying, in public, most people are taught to put their best foot forward....Ms So & So, very likely could not possibly have the complete picture of who GZ was or is today.
But because schools, churches, legal institutions, medical facilities, etc are bound by confidentiality laws (especially as they pertain to minors) we and Ms So & So are not capable of relaying anything other than our very limited interaction with others.
The author didn't cite "official" sources most likely because he/she couldn't. Therefore, with the exception of a few neighbors, the stories are simply anecdotal. Even his employers at his three part time jobs or the places of employment were not cited.
If it were a college paper it would be a "D" paper because it lacks sources and citations. (IMO)
Is there any doubt the media has exploited this case
for their own selfish purpose?? Sensationalism sells!!
Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/04/2...#storylink=cpy
Another one bites the dust.
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Originally posted by Concerned Papa
Sorry, can't speculate on this one.Magnolia, any thoughts on how George managed to get his gun out of the inside of his waist band holster if he was pinned down, getting his head bashed on the sidewalk, with his attackers full body weight covering his mouth and nose, while he was screaming?
How'd he get to it?
PS, I forgot: while he was out of breath and losing consciousness
We don't know the exact position either party was in when Zimmerman pulled his gun. At that time, was Trayvon sitting a little to the left..to the right...was he sitting farther back...etc... etc.... I could go on and on. Respectfully, a lot of things play into this that can't be depicted in photos such as the ones you have posted. IMO
"a person close to the investigation"
"a source with first hand knowledge"
I mean that's the norm now isn't it?
In this case, I can absolutely see why "Ms. So and So" and the other sources would want to keep their names out of articles.
IMO this article is no different than most articles (if not all) that we have seen in this case and others.
At best, it is an unholy mess. BUT, a mess that began because GZ assumed that TM was guilty of a crime that had not even been committed.