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    Quote Originally Posted by m00c0w View Post
    It being his opinion doesn't make it untrue. If the prosecution knew about exculpatory evidence they failed to disclose in the affidavit, it's still a crime. He is right.
    So with the eyes of the world on this case, someone is actually suggesting that Angela Corey is lying and withholding information, and committing a crime? I am so sure that this happened, I mean really. I can see someone that the governor of the state appointed is really going to lie, leave things out, make things up, and just put whatever she wanted to put in an affidavit that a judge has to sign.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just K View Post
    Probably trajectory...or which side of his body the holster was on.
    No, it was something else.

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    ABC News recently aired a photo purportedly taken minutes after the shooting that shows a bloody wound on the back of Zimmerman’s head. That photo appears to support Zimmerman’s contention that he was being beaten by the teen when he shot him.

    BBM

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/25...#ixzz1t6wsRhyg

    ETA: Forgot to make my point! Why would she have to admit it into evidence if it were not a proven photo? Why did this photo only come out weeks later? I think Dershowitz is looking for his lead in to his "next" 15 minutes....
    It's just MOO. I could be wrong. Wouldn't be the first time and it surely won't be the last!

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    I'm confused about the whole GZ being left handed thing. Maybe it's because it's late and I'm tired, but what difference does that make? Not trying to be contrary, I'm just honestly confused about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Fessel View Post
    The picture of him on the phone supports he was left handed too.
    Didn't he have the phone up to his right ear ?

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    One thing I don't like the sound of is an answer from Inspector Gilbreath at the Bond Hearing. It sounds like SPD was letting peeps run willy nilly around the crime scene for a while:

    GILBREATH: I have no indication what he picked up from other officers at the scene. I know from reading reports there were witnesses gathered around while he was still at the scene. And this was prior to their having statements taken from them. So I don't know what he picked up from overheard conversations.

    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...20/cnr.02.html
    I don't like it, but it is what it is.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Concerned Papa View Post
    It's not a big deal as far as I can see, but Zimmerman was secured when Ayala arrived. According to the SPD Event Report, Officer Ayala arrived at 19:19:52 or almost 7:20 pm. EMT's pronounced TM dead at 7:30 after some unspecified period of attempts to revive him. No way from the report to know how long SPD vs the EMT's made their attempts, but either way, SPD's efforts only involved a matter of minutes.



    So according to the police report, Sgt Raimondo was supposedly doing "breaths" while Officer Ayala, and then Sgt McCoy, did compressions?... compressions on a chest with a hollow-point bullet gunshot wound? Wouldn't blood be pouring out? And if Raimondo was doing "breaths", why was there still saliva coming from Trayvon's mouth in the photo cops showed to Tracy Martin? I don't think they were doing "breaths" or compressions, jmo. What were they really doing, trying to figure out how to help their pal George cover up the murder of some unknown black kid?? All JMO


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    Quote Originally Posted by Concerned Papa View Post
    One thing I don't like the sound of is an answer from Inspector Gilbreath at the Bond Hearing. It does sound like SPD was letting peeps run willy nilly around the crime scene for a while:



    I don't like it, but it is what it is.
    Great catch as always Papa. Sounds to me like there was no control over the crime scene whatsoever.



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    Quote Originally Posted by cityslick View Post
    So basically no TH should offer their opinion, considering not one of them has looked at the case file except the prosecutors.

    I don't disagree, I just wish everyone had this mentality.
    Jumping off your post:

    I personally value the opinion of a Harvard law professor.

    He knows law. That's for sure.

    If I had to guess, maybe he's going by the detective who said they have no evidence of certain very relevant issues/claims.
    Maybe that's why he thinks the prosecutor is out of line with the charges.

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    I haven't had a chance to read the threads the past couple of nights. I did see the photo the other night, though. Was it ever determined who took it or whether it was taken with a phone or digital camera?

    My phone is a bare-minimum, dinky little thing. I'm unacquainted with the features of the newer, better phones. If the photo were taken with a phone camera, is the zoom good enough on those that the pic could have been taken from outside the crime scene perimeter?

    I can't tell whether Zimmerman is standing or sitting or whether a zoom feature was used. I think it's kind of hard to draw conclusions about whether the photographer was an unauthorized person allowed within the crime scene area without knowing more detail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Fessel View Post
    No, it was something else.

    How the fight went ? what side was his gun on ? his keys, flashlights ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrienne37 View Post
    Great catch as always Papa. Sounds to me like there was no control over the crime scene whatsoever.



    ~jmo~
    Yep, and someone took pics and turned around and sold one of them to ABC. I'm liking SPD less and less every day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Concerned Papa View Post
    One thing I don't like the sound of is an answer from Inspector Gilbreath at the Bond Hearing. It sounds like SPD was letting peeps run willy nilly around the crime scene for a while:



    I don't like it, but it is what it is.
    Another case to expose the totally FUBAR Legal System in FLORIDA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrienne37 View Post
    So with the eyes of the world on this case, someone is actually suggesting that Angela Corey is lying and withholding information, and committing a crime? I am so sure that this happened, I mean really. I can see someone that the governor of the state appointed is really going to lie, leave things out, make things up, and just put whatever she wanted to put in an affidavit that a judge has to sign.

    ~jmo~
    He said the entire time that based on what he's seen so far, she's overcharged. The PC affidavit does not align with a second degree murder charge. He said that there may be more evidence, but it's not apparent by the affidavit.

    He also said that if the state new about the pictures or other exculpatory evidence and did not include that in the affidavit, it's a crime.

    What he said is all very true. I just see sound bites being extracted that make him seem a little less impartial, when the totality of what he's saying is correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Concerned Papa View Post
    One thing I don't like the sound of is an answer from Inspector Gilbreath at the Bond Hearing. It sounds like SPD was letting peeps run willy nilly around the crime scene for a while:



    I don't like it, but it is what it is.
    I wonder when people started showing up on the scene. Was it before cops got there or did the sirens/lights alert the crowd?

    Considering that it wasn't roped off right away, you have the potential for contamination of the crime scene.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrienne37 View Post
    So with the eyes of the world on this case, someone is actually suggesting that Angela Corey is lying and withholding information, and committing a crime? I am so sure that this happened, I mean really. I can see someone that the governor of the state appointed is really going to lie, leave things out, make things up, and just put whatever she wanted to put in an affidavit that a judge has to sign.

    ~jmo~
    Nobody's perfect ... and that includes governors occasionally...

    I am not saying that it's the case in Florida.. but just making a point.

    Just look at that governor Barber (or whatever his name is) .. the one that recently pardoned 200 prisoners or so, including several murderers ... pardoned .. records wiped clean!

    Like nothing ever happened.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just K View Post
    He is 28 now. His birthday is in October so he might have been 17. If so, then yes and those records/details are sealed to almost everyone.
    So they are open to a police Sgt. for leaking purposes?

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    Not understanding why the SA would have to put the picture in of Georges head when they had evidence he lied about how he got the injuries? Those injuries are not from getting your head slammed over and over on concrete by a combatant like the detective said. IMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by cityslick View Post
    I wonder when people started showing up on the scene. Was it before cops got there or did the sirens/lights alert the crowd?

    Considering that it wasn't roped off right away, you have the potential for contamination of the crime scene.
    I'm sure it was before LE got there in some cases. What were there 9 or so 911 calls hearing a gunshot? I remember one of those tapes mentioning people "down there" with flashlights. I guess it's only natural to a certain degree, but who knows?


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    Quote Originally Posted by highflyer View Post
    So they are open to a police Sgt. for leaking purposes?
    I doubt legally. From what I understand, very few details remain on the "record." So you might find only the charge, the name of the plaintiff and the defendant...maybe not even the decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Fessel View Post
    Not understanding why the SA would have to put the picture in of Georges head when they had evidence he lied about how he got the injuries? Those injuries are not from getting your head slammed over and over on concrete by a combatant like the detective said. IMO
    Then they would submit their evidence that he lied about the injuries, too.

    It's not just facts convenient to the prosecution that are submitted. It's "the whole truth", not just part of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Fessel View Post
    Not understanding why the SA would have to put the picture in of Georges head when they had evidence he lied about how he got the injuries? Those injuries are not from getting your head slammed over and over on concrete by a combatant like the detective said. IMO
    What evidence do they have that he lied about how he got the injuries?
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    I continue to see legal opinion here from non lawyers. I've asked for links to back up what is being said if legal opinion is being stated as fact.


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